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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg with gene and

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Chris on the para cast let me tell you

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that I sound strange today any stranger

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than usual it's because I hear myself in

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a rather odd fashion because my sinuses

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are doing all sorts of numbers on me so

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I think if ET ever lands the first

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assignment for ET if ET decides to

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accept it it makes human sinuses after

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that human teeth I mean if you consider

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the situation now I was reading a story

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the other day that a record number of

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people are getting false teeth I am NOT

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among them

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I still have most of my original teeth

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but a record number of people getting

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false teeth so what is there about

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mother nature that makes our teeth so

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vulnerable that we have to give it

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constant care how's your teeth Chris oh

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man I've had so many problems over the

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years I had two sets of wisdom teeth

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they had extra roots and they were

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hooked you see what I mean

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my wife has all her teeth she's doing

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well of course they now advertise on TV

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these special one-day tooth implant

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schemes okay the problem with that

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though is that I think they cost like

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ten twenty thousand dollars so if you

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have ten or twenty thousand dollars to

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throw around you could have all your

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teeth replaced in one day

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so if ET effort decides to solve our

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problems not just global warming warfare

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nuclear weapons deal with the teeth et I

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only hear of any contacts yeah but they

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don't have teeth they don't

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well not the little gray guys they they

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don't have teeth do they I think they

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absorb nutrients through their skin

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according to some contactee well that's

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a way of giving a toothless grin yeah

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and they supposedly excrete bodily

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wastes through their skin imagine hunk

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hugging one of those at the wrong

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time of day this is the grisliest

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episode of the power cast we've ever

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done in sinuses they just got these two

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little tiny nose slits so I don't think

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they're gonna be able to help you there

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either yeah I mean the sinuses are shot

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today that's it you don't qualify as

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having too little no slits I have

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something I have a standard New York

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Jewish nose yes but we digress no we're

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getting too nosy here as I was prepping

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for today's episode featuring the

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director producer filmmaker everything a

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project about the Montauk chronicles

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covering the Montauk Project which

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allegedly occurred at a military base

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now closed in Montauk New York which is

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on the very tip of Long Island it's a

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place with a rich and famous go on

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vacation that's one thing about it and

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there are lots of legends about this but

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I started thinking where did I first

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become acquainted with this legend now

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not to confuse anybody but the Montauk

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Project is in some ways said to be

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connected to the Philadelphia Experiment

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and it was back in the 19 late 1950s 60s

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shows you how old I am when there was a

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story regarding the curious treatment of

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a copy of a book called the case for the

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UFOs now the case for the UFOs was

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written by a guy named MK Jessup Mars K

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Jessup the Vero edition I was just going

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to get to that now MK Jeff slip was an

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auto part salesman an amateur astronomer

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with the same name as a famous

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astronomer this is very confusing so he

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came out with this book and then they

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get this weird copy of this book

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annotated by some guy who calls himself

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Carlos a nd alright and eventually some

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government agency prints a few hundred

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copies of this book with all the

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annotations

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intact and that circulated quietly in

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the UFO field the annotations are all

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wacky but part of it concerns something

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called the Philadelphia Experiment which

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supposedly occurred back in 1943

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allegedly involving invisibility now

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just to get things straight here there

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really was some kind of experimentation

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back in the 40s and it was involved

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making these ships harder to detect by

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traditional measuring instruments not

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invisible but that's the stuff of legend

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in any case so it became an invisibility

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project so that's the story and the varo

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edition this is the annotated edition of

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the case of the UFO was finally

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published by grey barker back in the

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late 50s or early 60s alright that takes

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this in 1974 Charles Berlitz the

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grandson of the founder of the Berlitz

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language schools gets involved in

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writing books about UFOs in the

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paranormal and he has his book out

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called the Bermuda Triangle

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subtitled an incredible saga of

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unexplained disappearances and this was

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a best-selling book by the way one of

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the rare best-selling books about a

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paranormal subject so I interviewed

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Berlitz for a cable TV show and we

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talked and during the course of the show

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he mentioned the annotated edition the

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Barrell edition of the case for the UFO

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and he said you know no one's found the

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copy and I looked at him he had these

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twinkling eyes and there was always

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something going on there and he always

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felt he knew more than he was saying and

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he was having fun with you so I said you

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know I have a copy of it and he said you

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do so at the end of the show we went for

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dinner and I talked to him about it and

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I gave him a copy of the gray Barker

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edition of case for the UFO and in one

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or more of his subsequent books I

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actually I actually got named in the

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book as a source got lots of free

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lunches no free money okay you know with

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my first knowledge of potential kind of

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just strange things going on

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Montauk I was I'm not exactly sure what

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year was it was sometime in the late 70s

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early 80s if memory serves me correct I

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remember I was going in on the subway

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going to my job in Manhattan I was

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coming down the Lexington line the

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number 6 train and you know I'd always

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get a copy of the paper the New York

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Times and I'd read it on the way in and

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and I remember this strange article

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about I guess it had been the night

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before possibly two nights before that

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all the cats in Montauk went went

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berserk and it was a real news story you

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know in the New York Times and I

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remember reading this thinking how

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bizarre what could possibly cause

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everyone's cats to just totally freak

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out and go Wiggy

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and I remember thinking hey so I gotta

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get out to Montauk and do some poking

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around which I did I went out to Montauk

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went around the old abandoned uh I think

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was a radar station had these huge

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antenna there and and these what

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appeared to be abandoned buildings and

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you know I so I went and of course

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visited the pyramids on the beach there

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that are rather enigmatic and and that

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really put Montag on the radar for me

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and it was until you know ten ten or

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more years later when the Montauk books

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featuring Preston Nichols and I think

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me correct it's been a long time I

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remember thinking to myself you know the

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the place looks abandoned it doesn't

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seem like there's really anything going

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on there and subsequent visits out there

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I remember we poked around so I've

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always had this fascination with the

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Montauk subject matter although I don't

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really buy into all the ins and outs

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well the director of untaught Chronicles

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is Christopher another Christopher folks

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Garrett ah no and he's the writer

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director and producer of the film and

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he's here to explain why he got involved

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Montauk chronicles and by the way

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forum dot the para cast comm so this is

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our first exploration on the para guests

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into the Montauk Project it's not just a

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vacation place for the rich and the

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famous or just the rich Christopher

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Garrett on O is the writer producer

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director of Montauk chronicles welcome

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to the power cast Christopher in the

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first question I would have for you is

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what drew you to this particular

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possibility for making a documentary

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movie well I it was I was always

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interested in the paranormal and I

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wanted to make a docudrama about one of

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the subjects that I was originally

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familiar with but a friend of mine who I

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actually befriended while this making my

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first film he was one of the subjects

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and he knew I was from Long Island and

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he suggested why not the Montauk Project

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well I was aware of the books in the 90s

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and I wasn't very interested because I

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read the very first book by Preston

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Nichols and I felt the information was

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thin and it didn't hold much water and

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so I moved on from it but there was one

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prospect that really interested me and

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it was actually being able to visit the

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men who originated the tale you know

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there were only three or four men that

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were telling this tale for 20 years and

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right now there's people coming out and

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drove

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saying they were part of it but back

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then they were just a few people and I

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thought it would be an interesting

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subject to go and actually be there in

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the living room of the men who tell this

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tale so I could look them in the eyes

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because I thought it was just such a you

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know like a Z grade science fiction

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story especially the way it was

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portrayed in that book a little over the

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top I remember of course they did a

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movie about the Philadelphia Experiment

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back in the 1980s very very loosely

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based on all those legends plus of

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course the Charles Berlitz book now the

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Montauk Project I first heard about it

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from a guy named Bielek yeah that's it

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that's Al Bielek Alfred Buick and I

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actually you know he passed away in 2011

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but I visited him at his home at that

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time in Fort Myers Florida and the

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interview you see in my picture is the

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one I shot without that afternoon and oh

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six interesting guy because he was on a

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lot of programs and I guess the late 80s

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or even during the 90s that regarded the

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Philadelphia Experiment and he was on it

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was one of them was a History Channel

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program in the 90s where he was just

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listed as a historian later on claiming

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that and this is really another

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elaborate tale that he was a drag rest

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three times at some point in one of his

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earlier embodiments he was a man named

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Ed Cameron he was on the actual eldritch

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he claimed he was on the USS eldridge

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but in a different body or in a

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different form oh yes I heard some of

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this on the original coast-to-coast

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radio show with art bell and it was a

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fascinating story but I guess the

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question I have here is do we give al

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Bielek

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any credibility not to disparage the

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dead of course I know it's hard to say

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because and this is something I've been

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wrestling with it you know I didn't make

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Montauk chronicles to lie to people and

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I really wanted to find something now I

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knew finding evidence in this case is

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very difficult so credible witness in my

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opinion is a wonderful thing especially

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investigating the

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paranormal or conspiracy so to sit with

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Al and to be honest and I was very

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honest in the picture was to allow the

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audience to see what I was seeing you

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know al in a three hour period said

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everything from the fact that he was in

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a different body on the USS Eldridge two

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vampires were real you know I mean he

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said all of this in one shot why he

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doesn't stop does he no no and and

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Preston is was the same you know he had

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so many tales to tell too many to fit in

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a two-hour movie about specifically the

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Montauk Project now I didn't go in as

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the you know a Blake and skeptic what I

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needed to keep an open mind at the same

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time I had to be very cautious because

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there's just so much information being

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given a no artifacts no well you know

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what we should do Christopher because it

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is a very complicated subject and I want

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to just ground people with Al Bielek

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because everybody will look them up

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online to see the good the bad and the

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ugly and that is let's go back to the

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very beginning here let's start this

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story for people who don't know what I'm

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talking about except once again to look

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at Montauk Point as a place where people

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go to vacation so originally there was a

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military base over there let's start the

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story at the very beginning sure on the

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very eastern tip of Long Island New York

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that's some about a hundred and fifty

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miles east of New York City lies the

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camp hero Air Force Base in a somewhat

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isolated town called Montauk in the

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summertime it's a it's a real happening

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place it's been that way for many years

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vacationers go there because the beaches

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are great it's right on the ocean

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fishing is great their hotels and motels

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everywhere and resorts but in the winter

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the place is desolate and it's also a

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very small town a small population there

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is an Air Force Base there you know I

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spent my summers there when I was a kid

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and because of the the foliage and

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because of the way everything is

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configured I never really noticed the

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actual radar tower the stage radar tower

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and it wasn't until I was making this

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picture that I got back close to see it

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but the story

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that in 1971 between 1971 and 1983 after

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the Air Force moved out of the facility

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or at the very least unbeknownst to the

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operations going on the light operations

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going on topside because there wasn't

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really anything heavy happening since

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World War two there was a secret

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facility deep beneath the surface of a

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camp hero Air Force Base and within that

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facility experiments ranging from mind

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control where runaway kids were

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kidnapped murdered during these

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experiments to reverse engineering of

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alien technology to try and travel an

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interdimensional and interplanetary

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interstellar travel all of this

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occurring and extraterrestrials working

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underneath the ground along with the

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humans now just to put this in

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perspective this is not a proven fact

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it's what is claimed right no no

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absolutely not it's it's it's all based

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on witness testimony and there are very

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few but recently a lot of people are

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coming out saying they were either

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victims of the experiments and they're

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survivors of the experiments or they may

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have been there or they knew someone

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that was there which is quite

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interesting to me because for almost 30

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years or so the only people telling this

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tale were three or four men do you think

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it's because of the publicity the Scot

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was this act of the film came out or

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before you release the film it's at well

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I see here's the story I made two movies

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one that was completed in late 2011 that

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I took around for toured around for a

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year and I wasn't happy with it so I

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went back and made another it was during

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the time where I was putting out

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trailers on the internet huffington

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posted an article that's really when a

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lot of new witnesses were surfacing in

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my opinion I did not see many before

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that and it was still somewhat of an

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obscure story before oh six now you know

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Hollywood's getting their hands on it in

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there they're making a TV TV drama and

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I'm sure movies will follow and you know

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rightfully so it's

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it's an untouched territory for movies

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really outside of my own of course now

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they're bringing the x-files back this

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is a good time for it

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Christopher Guerra tano is the writer

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producer director of Montauk chronicles

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and when trying to paint the picture of

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what this crazy story is all about with

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we are the premiere independent talk

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GC and this is Dan pillar do you owe the

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IRS money you can't pay our tax that's

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crippling you I've defended people from

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the IRS for over 30 years I've helped

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Dan pillow calm we've been patiently

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waiting waiting while you tried to

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ignore us waiting while you acted like

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we didn't exist waiting for our chance

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to be taken seriously the wait is over

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GC it is available 24/7 at GC and

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wrong plaque laughter applause I copied

621
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in other books you're listening to the

622
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parrot cap so we have a second

623
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Christopher's therefore our Christopher

624
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reverts to his birth name KK so with

625
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Gene and KK Christopher Garrett on O of

626
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the Montauk chronicles and you're

627
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telling us here that as you got

628
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publicity about the film and of trailers

629
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online more and more people came out of

630
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the woodwork now when this happens do

631
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:40,070
you take these people seriously as or

632
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just people who've tried to get a little

633
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:43,429
glory one attach themselves to something

634
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:46,250
it looks like a really wild story from

635
00:27:51,010 --> 00:27:48,650
my experience it's a combination of both

636
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:51,020
I mean I know for a fact there are a few

637
00:27:55,990 --> 00:27:52,850
people out there that fabricated this

638
00:27:59,110 --> 00:27:56,000
for attention on the other hand I spent

639
00:28:01,870 --> 00:27:59,120
time with a gentleman who required that

640
00:28:04,659 --> 00:28:01,880
his identity be concealed in my movie so

641
00:28:06,850 --> 00:28:04,669
he used the name James Bruce and I've

642
00:28:08,950 --> 00:28:06,860
spent time around him personally and I

643
00:28:12,490 --> 00:28:08,960
believe that at the very least he

644
00:28:15,430 --> 00:28:12,500
believes this 100% also it seems like

645
00:28:17,409 --> 00:28:15,440
he's recollecting things that I just

646
00:28:19,570 --> 00:28:17,419
personally feel like he he couldn't have

647
00:28:21,909 --> 00:28:19,580
made up I mean he may have read this he

648
00:28:23,799 --> 00:28:21,919
may have seen it in the movie I don't

649
00:28:26,020 --> 00:28:23,809
know because it's so difficult there

650
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:26,030
there really there's really no evidence

651
00:28:31,180 --> 00:28:28,850
but the one thing that has happened out

652
00:28:32,860 --> 00:28:31,190
of this and it's in line with what we're

653
00:28:34,510 --> 00:28:32,870
discussing right now is that I was

654
00:28:37,210 --> 00:28:34,520
caught after with I was on coast to

655
00:28:39,100 --> 00:28:37,220
coast am earlier this year and shortly

656
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:39,110
after that I was contacted by a person

657
00:28:42,140 --> 00:28:40,650
who worked and I will

658
00:28:44,990 --> 00:28:42,150
say what company it was for a major

659
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:45,000
chemical company in the 70s up until the

660
00:28:52,970 --> 00:28:49,130
80s and this person claims that they saw

661
00:28:54,500 --> 00:28:52,980
documents that were being sent from this

662
00:28:57,620 --> 00:28:54,510
major chemical company for a very

663
00:29:01,310 --> 00:28:57,630
experimental alloy that was being sent

664
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:01,320
not only to Brookhaven labs but to Camp

665
00:29:04,220 --> 00:29:02,010
hero

666
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we're at a time where nothing should be

667
00:29:10,580 --> 00:29:05,970
sent to this place because it was

668
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:10,590
defunct so this might be the small tiny

669
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little piece of evidence that could lead

670
00:29:16,910 --> 00:29:14,340
to the truth none of this person's

671
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:16,920
stories are attached to any of the

672
00:29:23,090 --> 00:29:20,490
sci-fi asked elements it's just I saw

673
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:23,100
documents they were connected they're in

674
00:29:28,700 --> 00:29:25,770
line with names and places that Preston

675
00:29:30,830 --> 00:29:28,710
Nichols was talking about so there is a

676
00:29:33,020 --> 00:29:30,840
connection here and if you're gonna

677
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:33,030
believe anything you know this might be

678
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:35,010
the piece of evidence here so I'm gonna

679
00:29:37,940 --> 00:29:36,330
follow through with that and this is

680
00:29:39,950 --> 00:29:37,950
very recent this is only in the last few

681
00:29:43,850 --> 00:29:39,960
months okay let's look back through the

682
00:29:46,100 --> 00:29:43,860
history here so we have this military

683
00:29:49,460 --> 00:29:46,110
base the Montauk Air Force stationed

684
00:29:52,060 --> 00:29:49,470
camp here Oh is there any official

685
00:29:54,860 --> 00:29:52,070
documentation about it or is it just an

686
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:54,870
abandoned base well there there is

687
00:30:00,590 --> 00:29:57,210
documentation you know it ranges all the

688
00:30:03,170 --> 00:30:00,600
way back to the early settlers when it

689
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:03,180
was transferred over and eventually

690
00:30:08,870 --> 00:30:05,760
became an official military base it was

691
00:30:10,790 --> 00:30:08,880
fort hero and it eventually became camp

692
00:30:12,740 --> 00:30:10,800
hero which was an Air Force Base after

693
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:12,750
the Army Air Corps became the Air Force

694
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:14,610
before that in World War two and then

695
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:17,520
leading on throughout until satellite

696
00:30:21,170 --> 00:30:19,170
technology was in place because that's

697
00:30:23,420 --> 00:30:21,180
what the osage radar terror was

698
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:23,430
therefore it was being used and we have

699
00:30:28,010 --> 00:30:26,130
record of everything officially that

700
00:30:29,930 --> 00:30:28,020
camp hero was being used for it was also

701
00:30:32,540 --> 00:30:29,940
being used as a protection on the East

702
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:32,550
Coast because you know the US was

703
00:30:37,970 --> 00:30:35,250
worried about a Nazi invasion so there

704
00:30:40,700 --> 00:30:37,980
are bunkers intact still to this day

705
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:40,710
where 16-inch guns those large cannons

706
00:30:47,270 --> 00:30:44,130
were set to defend the United States the

707
00:30:49,970 --> 00:30:47,280
East Coast all of that's on record and I

708
00:30:52,550 --> 00:30:49,980
spent a large amount of time in the

709
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:52,560
Montauk Library sifting through the

710
00:30:55,930 --> 00:30:53,450
archives

711
00:30:59,710 --> 00:30:55,940
a lot of it was just about the land

712
00:31:01,960 --> 00:30:59,720
itself after 1983 and what was being

713
00:31:04,180 --> 00:31:01,970
done with it what they were planning on

714
00:31:06,490 --> 00:31:04,190
doing with the base itself but right now

715
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:06,500
you can literally you know unlike groom

716
00:31:09,909 --> 00:31:08,690
Lake and unlike wright-patterson Air

717
00:31:13,210 --> 00:31:09,919
Force Base and a lot of these other

718
00:31:16,180 --> 00:31:13,220
places that are classified you can go to

719
00:31:18,730 --> 00:31:16,190
Camp hero today you can walk around the

720
00:31:20,169 --> 00:31:18,740
grounds you can explore I think security

721
00:31:22,029 --> 00:31:20,179
is getting a little tighter because this

722
00:31:24,159 --> 00:31:22,039
subject matter is very popular right now

723
00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:24,169
but it is a state park you can literally

724
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:26,809
camp out overnight with a permit go

725
00:31:31,509 --> 00:31:28,730
fishing and spend a lot of time

726
00:31:33,100 --> 00:31:31,519
exploring the area what has been said

727
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:33,110
though is that the facility is deep

728
00:31:38,590 --> 00:31:35,450
underneath the ground which is to this

729
00:31:40,539 --> 00:31:38,600
day we've we found hatch ways and things

730
00:31:42,940 --> 00:31:40,549
that led to something but they were all

731
00:31:45,430 --> 00:31:42,950
cemented shut and of course if we tried

732
00:31:47,169 --> 00:31:45,440
to jackhammer these things open we'd be

733
00:31:49,330 --> 00:31:47,179
arrested because there is security

734
00:31:51,279 --> 00:31:49,340
patrolling the area to see if anybody's

735
00:31:53,230 --> 00:31:51,289
breaking into the tower which we we

736
00:31:56,009 --> 00:31:53,240
found our way in in the film well you

737
00:31:59,529 --> 00:31:56,019
know let's look at Montag as a location

738
00:32:01,000 --> 00:31:59,539
you know I've done being I'm an ex New

739
00:32:03,220 --> 00:32:01,010
York or I lived in the New York area

740
00:32:05,769 --> 00:32:03,230
from the mid seventies through the mid

741
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:05,779
80s and I went out to Montauk on a

742
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:07,850
number of occasions and you know my

743
00:32:14,409 --> 00:32:11,330
curiosity was was really I don't know

744
00:32:15,789 --> 00:32:14,419
kind of peaked when I read I mentioned

745
00:32:17,259 --> 00:32:15,799
this before he came on I read the

746
00:32:19,180 --> 00:32:17,269
article in The New York Times about all

747
00:32:21,340 --> 00:32:19,190
the cats going crazy one night in

748
00:32:22,930 --> 00:32:21,350
Montauk and and this was a real news

749
00:32:26,049 --> 00:32:22,940
story and I just thought it was quite

750
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:26,059
quite unusual in it sent me on course to

751
00:32:30,519 --> 00:32:28,850
research the area out there and there

752
00:32:33,250 --> 00:32:30,529
are some very interesting myths and

753
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:33,260
legends that have come down to the

754
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:36,490
generations that Montag is a very

755
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:40,250
special place there's an interesting

756
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:43,010
history of unusual occurrences there for

757
00:32:48,789 --> 00:32:44,690
instance I think what didn't Aleister

758
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:48,799
Crowley summon lamb in 1919 in the

759
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:51,010
Montag area if memory serves me correct

760
00:32:55,570 --> 00:32:53,570
there you have those strange pyramid

761
00:32:59,200 --> 00:32:55,580
formations out there what sort of

762
00:33:01,509 --> 00:32:59,210
research have you done into the past you

763
00:33:04,509 --> 00:33:01,519
know into the fairly distant past about

764
00:33:06,130 --> 00:33:04,519
strange anomalies and other types of

765
00:33:08,950 --> 00:33:06,140
myths and legends that have had

766
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:08,960
been attached to the location there oh I

767
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:10,730
mean I've heard it at all you know in

768
00:33:14,950 --> 00:33:13,010
almost a decade I've heard all of the

769
00:33:17,620 --> 00:33:14,960
stories a good deal of them though you

770
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:17,630
know are lacking in evidence and what I

771
00:33:25,150 --> 00:33:21,050
was my goal from the beginning with this

772
00:33:27,970 --> 00:33:25,160
was to walk in as an observer and

773
00:33:29,340 --> 00:33:27,980
collect information for the audience so

774
00:33:31,540 --> 00:33:29,350
I wasn't there are too many

775
00:33:34,030 --> 00:33:31,550
documentaries regarding the paranormal

776
00:33:37,150 --> 00:33:34,040
that are just built on conjecture and my

777
00:33:38,890 --> 00:33:37,160
thing was okay I might not ever have any

778
00:33:41,380 --> 00:33:38,900
evidence for this and maybe that

779
00:33:43,270 --> 00:33:41,390
shouldn't be my goal so I came in and I

780
00:33:43,570 --> 00:33:43,280
did a large amount of research as I went

781
00:33:46,450 --> 00:33:43,580
along

782
00:33:49,030 --> 00:33:46,460
but for the most part I wanted to go in

783
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:49,040
clean I wanted to forget that the books

784
00:33:53,290 --> 00:33:51,290
existed because I wasn't adapting any of

785
00:33:56,470 --> 00:33:53,300
those books they weren't in line with

786
00:33:58,930 --> 00:33:56,480
what my desire was for this picture so I

787
00:34:01,750 --> 00:33:58,940
wanted to start fresh I was basically

788
00:34:04,660 --> 00:34:01,760
the first person to really interview

789
00:34:06,430 --> 00:34:04,670
these guys in a sense where they were

790
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:06,440
exposed their emotions were exposed

791
00:34:11,380 --> 00:34:08,450
because they they all kind of get very

792
00:34:13,300 --> 00:34:11,390
emotional in this film and I just wanted

793
00:34:15,159 --> 00:34:13,310
to make them feel comfortable and hear

794
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:15,169
their story what I found to be most

795
00:34:22,540 --> 00:34:19,810
interesting was all like you were just

796
00:34:25,300 --> 00:34:22,550
suggesting all of the tales like

797
00:34:26,620 --> 00:34:25,310
Aleister Crowley and the fact that the

798
00:34:30,010 --> 00:34:26,630
Project Paperclip

799
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:30,020
Nazi scientists went over to Montauk you

800
00:34:34,450 --> 00:34:32,570
know we have proof that Project

801
00:34:37,060 --> 00:34:34,460
Paperclip existed but that's a different

802
00:34:38,950 --> 00:34:37,070
thing and there's so much association

803
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:38,960
with the Montauk Project that people

804
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:40,970
insist well this is directly connected

805
00:34:45,580 --> 00:34:43,130
to the Philadelphia Experiment people

806
00:34:47,649 --> 00:34:45,590
insist Oh Project Paperclip and and

807
00:34:50,020 --> 00:34:47,659
MKULTRA turned into this well we don't

808
00:34:52,180 --> 00:34:50,030
know that so I was very cautious as I go

809
00:34:54,070 --> 00:34:52,190
along and even when I do these shows I

810
00:34:56,260 --> 00:34:54,080
want to be careful as to what I say I

811
00:34:58,200 --> 00:34:56,270
want to stay in line with my original

812
00:35:01,270 --> 00:34:58,210
intentions with this film was to never

813
00:35:03,340 --> 00:35:01,280
join in on the association bandwagon

814
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:03,350
yeah there's a lot of information out

815
00:35:06,850 --> 00:35:05,090
there about Montauk and there are a lot

816
00:35:09,850 --> 00:35:06,860
of legends and there's a lot of history

817
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:09,860
and they say it's a quartz base and all

818
00:35:13,540 --> 00:35:11,210
of these things you know there has

819
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:13,550
energetic ley lines that go over to the

820
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:14,810
pyramids of Gizeh

821
00:35:19,599 --> 00:35:17,690
I've heard everything what is it true oh

822
00:35:23,019 --> 00:35:19,609
I'm also there is direct line

823
00:35:25,089 --> 00:35:23,029
to Stonehenge from Montauk possibly but

824
00:35:27,670 --> 00:35:25,099
my thing is I wanted to collect

825
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:27,680
information from the men who originated

826
00:35:32,049 --> 00:35:30,410
this tale the three men in my film are

827
00:35:34,359 --> 00:35:32,059
the only reason why anyone's talking

828
00:35:36,489 --> 00:35:34,369
about this montag project these are the

829
00:35:37,870 --> 00:35:36,499
guys that started the whole thing so I

830
00:35:39,759 --> 00:35:37,880
wanted to hear their story

831
00:35:42,009 --> 00:35:39,769
okay now the thing I never understood

832
00:35:44,319 --> 00:35:42,019
here before we get into a very

833
00:35:47,349 --> 00:35:44,329
complicated story is how does the

834
00:35:50,109 --> 00:35:47,359
Philadelphia Experiment legend work into

835
00:35:52,539 --> 00:35:50,119
the Montauk Project now I've talked

836
00:35:54,609 --> 00:35:52,549
about the Philadelphia Experiment prior

837
00:35:57,279 --> 00:35:54,619
to the time you came on because I knew

838
00:36:00,249 --> 00:35:57,289
Charles Berlitz and I saw the this Vairo

839
00:36:01,450 --> 00:36:00,259
edition of the case for the UFO that led

840
00:36:04,589 --> 00:36:01,460
people to speculate about the

841
00:36:06,910 --> 00:36:04,599
Philadelphia sprout also Jacques Vallee

842
00:36:08,589 --> 00:36:06,920
mentioned with regard to the

843
00:36:11,319 --> 00:36:08,599
Philadelphia Experiment that they did do

844
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:11,329
experimentation back in 1943 with the

845
00:36:17,650 --> 00:36:13,970
USS Eldridge the ship involved trying to

846
00:36:21,309 --> 00:36:17,660
make it possible to use some kind of

847
00:36:24,460 --> 00:36:21,319
anti magnetic system so that it would be

848
00:36:26,470 --> 00:36:24,470
harder to detect the ships which is

849
00:36:28,870 --> 00:36:26,480
great work because if you can't be seen

850
00:36:30,069 --> 00:36:28,880
at least electronically you have a

851
00:36:31,779 --> 00:36:30,079
better chance of reaching your target

852
00:36:34,049 --> 00:36:31,789
we've got more to come

853
00:36:36,849 --> 00:36:34,059
Christopher Garrett on Oh is the

854
00:36:40,089 --> 00:36:36,859
producer director writer of Montauk

855
00:36:41,529 --> 00:36:40,099
chronicles a weird story indeed or to

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come with gene and Chris you're in

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tuned in to the para cast let me tell

955
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you what you're gonna hear stuff here

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that you probably won't hear anywhere

957
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else hear that George Noory

958
00:41:18,740 --> 00:41:17,220
so we continue talking about Montauk

959
00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:18,750
chronicles and the background of the

960
00:41:23,030 --> 00:41:20,730
Philadelphia Experiment so I assume

961
00:41:25,130 --> 00:41:23,040
Christopher that you looked into this

962
00:41:26,630 --> 00:41:25,140
background the Philadelphia Experiment -

963
00:41:28,310 --> 00:41:26,640
now of course we know that the fiction

964
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:28,320
version of it of course is people go

965
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:30,450
back and forth through time and trying

966
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:33,090
to make the ship less visible to the

967
00:41:38,270 --> 00:41:36,090
enemy was an invisibility experiment how

968
00:41:40,730 --> 00:41:38,280
did that come to be well the story goes

969
00:41:42,410 --> 00:41:40,740
as much as we know about the USS

970
00:41:45,350 --> 00:41:42,420
Eldridge in the Philadelphia Experiment

971
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:45,360
and there are eyewitness testimonies and

972
00:41:49,670 --> 00:41:46,890
there are a lot of great things to go on

973
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:49,680
it still hasn't been proven the original

974
00:41:54,410 --> 00:41:52,650
story is that the Eldridge there was an

975
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:54,420
experiment that was designed to cloak

976
00:42:00,980 --> 00:41:57,810
the Eldridge from radar the cloaking

977
00:42:04,490 --> 00:42:00,990
device yes yes and then somehow the

978
00:42:05,980 --> 00:42:04,500
Eldridge disappeared this is in 1943 now

979
00:42:08,230 --> 00:42:05,990
how it's connected

980
00:42:10,150 --> 00:42:08,240
the Montauk Project and and and not only

981
00:42:13,930 --> 00:42:10,160
did it disappear but when it did

982
00:42:16,090 --> 00:42:13,940
reappear the men were on the ship some

983
00:42:18,490 --> 00:42:16,100
of them became part of the fuselage some

984
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:18,500
of them were transparent walking around

985
00:42:22,540 --> 00:42:20,570
some of them were lost forever and this

986
00:42:25,390 --> 00:42:22,550
is what is claimed to have happened

987
00:42:27,820 --> 00:42:25,400
Alfred Bielek who claims that he was a

988
00:42:31,060 --> 00:42:27,830
large integral part of the Montauk

989
00:42:32,859 --> 00:42:31,070
Project says he was also on the USS

990
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:32,869
Eldridge and here's the connection

991
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:35,090
he said that when the Eldridge

992
00:42:40,900 --> 00:42:38,090
disappeared in 43 and if you look at the

993
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:40,910
log lines in the Montauk timeline the

994
00:42:47,290 --> 00:42:43,130
forgive a camp hero timeline for the

995
00:42:49,540 --> 00:42:47,300
Montauk Project it was 1983 exactly 40

996
00:42:53,230 --> 00:42:49,550
years later that the camp hero

997
00:42:55,510 --> 00:42:53,240
experiment exploded because that's when

998
00:42:57,670 --> 00:42:55,520
Alfred Bielek Preston Nichols and Duncan

999
00:42:59,620 --> 00:42:57,680
Cameron crashed the project to destroy

1000
00:43:03,640 --> 00:42:59,630
it to stop it from controlling the

1001
00:43:05,830 --> 00:43:03,650
populace in 1983 just off of Montauk

1002
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:05,840
Point where camp Bureau is located they

1003
00:43:12,359 --> 00:43:08,570
say that the Eldridge once disappeared

1004
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:12,369
in 43 reappeared at Montauk Point in

1005
00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:14,690
1983 right off the coast then

1006
00:43:18,790 --> 00:43:16,730
disappeared again and went back to 43

1007
00:43:21,010 --> 00:43:18,800
this is the connection in so many words

1008
00:43:22,690 --> 00:43:21,020
that Alfred Felix says the Eldridge has

1009
00:43:24,700 --> 00:43:22,700
not only that he was also on the

1010
00:43:27,310 --> 00:43:24,710
Eldridge in different form it's a lot of

1011
00:43:29,170 --> 00:43:27,320
information to take in his argument of

1012
00:43:31,750 --> 00:43:29,180
course is that he occupied another body

1013
00:43:33,730 --> 00:43:31,760
then how old was he really oh he said he

1014
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:33,740
was well over a hundred and fifty years

1015
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:36,890
old when I spoke to him now I recall

1016
00:43:41,020 --> 00:43:38,930
when I was a kid my grandmother was

1017
00:43:43,150 --> 00:43:41,030
taking a blood thinner her skin was

1018
00:43:46,359 --> 00:43:43,160
bleeding our skin was bleeding in the

1019
00:43:48,130 --> 00:43:46,369
same manner but he said to me and in

1020
00:43:50,380 --> 00:43:48,140
many of the interviews that I shot when

1021
00:43:52,900 --> 00:43:50,390
I spent some time out in Fort Myers that

1022
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:52,910
his molecular structure was breaking

1023
00:43:57,250 --> 00:43:54,890
down because of the age regression and

1024
00:43:59,080 --> 00:43:57,260
that they can't regress him any more so

1025
00:44:01,599 --> 00:43:59,090
the blood on his nose and the blood on

1026
00:44:04,660 --> 00:44:01,609
his arms was because of the age

1027
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:04,670
regression but how old was he really 60s

1028
00:44:11,230 --> 00:44:08,330
70s oh yeah I think actually he was late

1029
00:44:14,410 --> 00:44:11,240
70s or in his 80s out at the time right

1030
00:44:16,660 --> 00:44:14,420
now supposedly he was born in 1927 if he

1031
00:44:19,030 --> 00:44:16,670
died in 2011 he was a pretty old guy oh

1032
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:19,040
very yes yes and you could see him in

1033
00:44:22,090 --> 00:44:19,610
the picture

1034
00:44:24,130 --> 00:44:22,100
- he's not exactly young so that would

1035
00:44:26,260 --> 00:44:24,140
sound like a reasonable thing but then

1036
00:44:27,700 --> 00:44:26,270
of course if he was involved in the

1037
00:44:31,060 --> 00:44:27,710
Philadelphia Experiment he would have

1038
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:31,070
been 16 years old at that time no yeah

1039
00:44:35,980 --> 00:44:33,890
he claims he was in his 20s late 20s

1040
00:44:38,530 --> 00:44:35,990
when he was on the Eldridge in different

1041
00:44:41,170 --> 00:44:38,540
form you can get dizzy from this yeah I

1042
00:44:42,610 --> 00:44:41,180
know I almost a decade of this and

1043
00:44:45,130 --> 00:44:42,620
that's why I still try to stay very

1044
00:44:46,300 --> 00:44:45,140
grounded I keep an open mind to the men

1045
00:44:48,310 --> 00:44:46,310
who want to tell me these stories

1046
00:44:50,290 --> 00:44:48,320
because I think it's interesting at the

1047
00:44:52,510 --> 00:44:50,300
very least it's interesting that they're

1048
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:52,520
telling this tale and that another thing

1049
00:44:55,900 --> 00:44:53,570
that's interesting to me is that the

1050
00:44:58,840 --> 00:44:55,910
gentleman in my film the main subjects

1051
00:45:00,670 --> 00:44:58,850
have perpetuated this story for a very

1052
00:45:03,190 --> 00:45:00,680
long time they've been under heavy

1053
00:45:04,720 --> 00:45:03,200
ridicule they have not made in most

1054
00:45:06,970 --> 00:45:04,730
cases no money at all they haven't made

1055
00:45:09,790 --> 00:45:06,980
any money it's it's curious to me as to

1056
00:45:11,950 --> 00:45:09,800
why they consistently tell this tale if

1057
00:45:14,230 --> 00:45:11,960
it's not true you think the natural

1058
00:45:16,030 --> 00:45:14,240
propensity of somebody who is being

1059
00:45:18,970 --> 00:45:16,040
bombarded with ridicule would just to

1060
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:18,980
stop and gracefully fizzle out but they

1061
00:45:24,070 --> 00:45:20,930
not doing that they keep telling this

1062
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:24,080
story now Preston Nichols wrote a number

1063
00:45:28,210 --> 00:45:26,090
of books about Montauk Project

1064
00:45:30,430 --> 00:45:28,220
Philadelphia Experiment and everything

1065
00:45:33,550 --> 00:45:30,440
but now those books really took off well

1066
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:33,560
I don't know I don't know I'm sure since

1067
00:45:37,900 --> 00:45:35,930
my movies been out I know the movies

1068
00:45:39,550 --> 00:45:37,910
caught a lot of attention so I'm sure

1069
00:45:41,830 --> 00:45:39,560
the books are selling because you know

1070
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:41,840
people's natural way is to want to

1071
00:45:46,450 --> 00:45:43,970
ingest as much information as possible

1072
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:46,460
so I suspect that a lot of books have

1073
00:45:49,630 --> 00:45:48,530
been sold in recent years you know

1074
00:45:51,820 --> 00:45:49,640
because they want to get as much

1075
00:45:53,890 --> 00:45:51,830
information from Preston as they

1076
00:45:56,860 --> 00:45:53,900
possibly can but Preston has so many

1077
00:45:59,530 --> 00:45:56,870
tales to tell what I got from all of

1078
00:46:02,380 --> 00:45:59,540
this was and in my personal belief after

1079
00:46:04,330 --> 00:46:02,390
this many years following this story is

1080
00:46:07,180 --> 00:46:04,340
that I think something did happen at

1081
00:46:09,430 --> 00:46:07,190
Camp hero maybe not to the magnitude of

1082
00:46:12,540 --> 00:46:09,440
what has been told because what a

1083
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:12,550
wonderful way to conceal this conspiracy

1084
00:46:17,650 --> 00:46:15,170
especially if runaway kids were being

1085
00:46:20,470 --> 00:46:17,660
kidnapped for mind-control experiments

1086
00:46:22,810 --> 00:46:20,480
and murdered wouldn't it be great just

1087
00:46:24,790 --> 00:46:22,820
to implant people's minds with the

1088
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:24,800
aliens and the time travel and the

1089
00:46:28,720 --> 00:46:26,570
interdimensional travel to Mars not

1090
00:46:30,550 --> 00:46:28,730
saying that that's not possible but if

1091
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:30,560
these men are out there telling every

1092
00:46:34,870 --> 00:46:32,810
science fiction tale possible

1093
00:46:36,790 --> 00:46:34,880
then I guess the idea would be that no

1094
00:46:38,770 --> 00:46:36,800
one is to believe them or take them

1095
00:46:41,770 --> 00:46:38,780
seriously I think it's quite possible

1096
00:46:44,010 --> 00:46:41,780
that there was a mind-control experiment

1097
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:44,020
there in fact I believe there was

1098
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:47,090
because it's in line with the atrocities

1099
00:46:51,910 --> 00:46:49,490
committed by the governments around the

1100
00:46:54,340 --> 00:46:51,920
world in our own country in regard to

1101
00:46:57,670 --> 00:46:54,350
MKULTRA and in regard to the Tuskegee

1102
00:46:59,530 --> 00:46:57,680
experiments we've done this before so it

1103
00:47:01,540 --> 00:46:59,540
really sounds very similar to those

1104
00:47:03,550 --> 00:47:01,550
things and I wouldn't put it past them

1105
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:03,560
during that time period there were a lot

1106
00:47:07,720 --> 00:47:05,450
of missing kids around the country

1107
00:47:09,820 --> 00:47:07,730
during that time and I had never shown

1108
00:47:12,430 --> 00:47:09,830
up again and there was no corpus delicti

1109
00:47:14,830 --> 00:47:12,440
why not and that's what I'm leaning

1110
00:47:17,140 --> 00:47:14,840
towards at the end of all of this you

1111
00:47:19,930 --> 00:47:17,150
have this military base which is kind of

1112
00:47:21,940 --> 00:47:19,940
out of the center of the town it's a

1113
00:47:24,100 --> 00:47:21,950
little bit isolated correct so it would

1114
00:47:27,670 --> 00:47:24,110
seem to be logically speaking a good

1115
00:47:31,420 --> 00:47:27,680
place to do Operation Paperclip and

1116
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:31,430
later MKULTRA as a matter of logic not

1117
00:47:35,350 --> 00:47:33,530
necessarily as a matter of fact we're

1118
00:47:36,610 --> 00:47:35,360
stretching it there and the same thing

1119
00:47:38,830 --> 00:47:36,620
will be true here for stretching the

1120
00:47:41,710 --> 00:47:38,840
Philadelphia Experiment if they did go

1121
00:47:46,150 --> 00:47:41,720
forward through time from 1943 to what

1122
00:47:48,010 --> 00:47:46,160
1983 yes that military base was in

1123
00:47:50,860 --> 00:47:48,020
operation before then so how does it

1124
00:47:52,810 --> 00:47:50,870
become connected again I I can't I'm not

1125
00:47:55,330 --> 00:47:52,820
gonna sit here and support those claims

1126
00:47:57,130 --> 00:47:55,340
in fact I didn't cover the Philadelphia

1127
00:47:59,560 --> 00:47:57,140
Experiment in my movie because I

1128
00:48:01,690 --> 00:47:59,570
couldn't find the connection but these

1129
00:48:04,450 --> 00:48:01,700
are things that Alfred Bielek and

1130
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:04,460
Preston Nichols these were tales that

1131
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:06,770
they were telling that are unconfirmed I

1132
00:48:11,170 --> 00:48:09,410
went out and started fresh to find my

1133
00:48:13,390 --> 00:48:11,180
own evidence and find the things I

1134
00:48:15,910 --> 00:48:13,400
needed to find and what I focused on in

1135
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:15,920
this picture was the Montauk Boys

1136
00:48:21,550 --> 00:48:18,530
program as they called it where these

1137
00:48:23,350 --> 00:48:21,560
kids were allegedly taken and brought to

1138
00:48:24,850 --> 00:48:23,360
the facility and another subject of my

1139
00:48:27,010 --> 00:48:24,860
film Stewart Swerdlow claims to have

1140
00:48:29,290 --> 00:48:27,020
been one of those children that were

1141
00:48:32,140 --> 00:48:29,300
brought to the facility experimented

1142
00:48:34,750 --> 00:48:32,150
upon and used for a variety of brutal

1143
00:48:36,550 --> 00:48:34,760
experiments which we've proven to have

1144
00:48:37,690 --> 00:48:36,560
occurred earlier and we going to the

1145
00:48:40,900 --> 00:48:37,700
Philadelphia Experiment

1146
00:48:43,930 --> 00:48:40,910
once again Al Bielek claims that it has

1147
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:43,940
a correlation not only in the technology

1148
00:48:46,210 --> 00:48:45,770
I guess the scientists developing it

1149
00:48:48,250 --> 00:48:46,220
also

1150
00:48:50,890 --> 00:48:48,260
transferred over to Brookhaven labs in

1151
00:48:53,050 --> 00:48:50,900
Montauk but the fact that there's got to

1152
00:48:55,420 --> 00:48:53,060
be some kind of energetic connection

1153
00:48:58,510 --> 00:48:55,430
between Philadelphia Experiment and

1154
00:49:01,210 --> 00:48:58,520
Montauk because the Eldridge appeared

1155
00:49:02,980 --> 00:49:01,220
just off the coast in 1983 I'm not

1156
00:49:04,510 --> 00:49:02,990
saying this happened and I don't want it

1157
00:49:07,180 --> 00:49:04,520
to sound like I'm saying because how

1158
00:49:09,099 --> 00:49:07,190
could we confirm this right yeah be

1159
00:49:10,650 --> 00:49:09,109
pretty unusual to have a ship all of a

1160
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:10,660
sudden appear and then disappear

1161
00:49:15,700 --> 00:49:13,130
somebody would see that why don't you

1162
00:49:17,890 --> 00:49:15,710
give our listeners a bit of a background

1163
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:17,900
on preston nichols he's quite an

1164
00:49:23,140 --> 00:49:20,450
enigmatic person I remember seeing a

1165
00:49:25,900 --> 00:49:23,150
interview with him in the early 90s and

1166
00:49:28,750 --> 00:49:25,910
I've never seen somebody so fidgety and

1167
00:49:31,660 --> 00:49:28,760
almost twitchy constantly itch

1168
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:31,670
scratching you know just riding in his

1169
00:49:36,070 --> 00:49:35,210
chair he seemed uh peculiar to me why

1170
00:49:38,050 --> 00:49:36,080
don't you give our listeners a little

1171
00:49:40,030 --> 00:49:38,060
background on him well in regard to

1172
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:40,040
preston nichols i didn't know much about

1173
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:42,770
preston when I started in o6 and that

1174
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:45,050
was good I wanted to start fresh so I

1175
00:49:49,530 --> 00:49:49,010
show up at Preston's home in upstate New

1176
00:49:51,579 --> 00:49:49,540
York

1177
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:51,589
no.6 for the first time I interviewed

1178
00:49:55,270 --> 00:49:53,450
Preston twice the interview that you'll

1179
00:49:57,339 --> 00:49:55,280
see in my film that's out there right

1180
00:50:00,280 --> 00:49:57,349
now is the one I shot in 2013 when I

1181
00:50:02,890 --> 00:50:00,290
went back but when I first met Preston

1182
00:50:05,770 --> 00:50:02,900
you know he was a hermit in the greatest

1183
00:50:08,670 --> 00:50:05,780
sense of the word he lived alone he had

1184
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:08,680
this giant house but there was

1185
00:50:14,700 --> 00:50:12,170
electronic remnants and junk everywhere

1186
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:14,710
there was a big old bus in the backyard

1187
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:17,930
emptying weeds growing everywhere once

1188
00:50:22,870 --> 00:50:20,570
he went inside he called it his lab you

1189
00:50:26,290 --> 00:50:22,880
get inside to the lab and there's this

1190
00:50:30,430 --> 00:50:26,300
bed with this makeshift series of Lights

1191
00:50:32,829 --> 00:50:30,440
above it and speakers and makeshift

1192
00:50:35,050 --> 00:50:32,839
you know contraptions built everywhere

1193
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:35,060
you know it's like a mad scientist

1194
00:50:39,220 --> 00:50:37,010
sticking things together didn't they

1195
00:50:41,770 --> 00:50:39,230
have like a Faraday cage over his bed at

1196
00:50:44,020 --> 00:50:41,780
one point or I'm not sure I didn't I

1197
00:50:46,720 --> 00:50:44,030
didn't see that myself but I did see

1198
00:50:48,730 --> 00:50:46,730
rows and rows of shelves of electronic

1199
00:50:51,550 --> 00:50:48,740
equipment archaic electronic equipment

1200
00:50:53,589 --> 00:50:51,560
radio equipment just so much stuff this

1201
00:50:56,050 --> 00:50:53,599
guy was you know just hoarding and

1202
00:50:58,839 --> 00:50:56,060
collecting but inside the lab he he

1203
00:50:59,569 --> 00:50:58,849
invited us to go into the healing

1204
00:51:01,249 --> 00:50:59,579
machine

1205
00:51:03,499 --> 00:51:01,259
he called it and then he would put on

1206
00:51:05,299 --> 00:51:03,509
the doors or he would put on Jimi

1207
00:51:08,329 --> 00:51:05,309
Hendrix and then these lights would come

1208
00:51:10,549 --> 00:51:08,339
on start flashing and then he said it

1209
00:51:13,309 --> 00:51:10,559
changes your DNA and you know

1210
00:51:14,029 --> 00:51:13,319
restructures your DNA you'll be changed

1211
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:14,039
forever

1212
00:51:18,529 --> 00:51:16,410
now I went in the thing myself and I

1213
00:51:20,809 --> 00:51:18,539
didn't I still to this day don't you

1214
00:51:22,969 --> 00:51:20,819
know I don't feel any different but I'm

1215
00:51:25,219 --> 00:51:22,979
not doubting what it can do I just can't

1216
00:51:27,410 --> 00:51:25,229
confirm it let's do our break here and

1217
00:51:30,349 --> 00:51:27,420
then we'll pick up on this sure we

1218
00:51:48,529 --> 00:51:30,359
explored the ins and outs of the Montauk

1219
00:51:51,140 --> 00:51:48,539
Project with Gina and Christian ray

1220
00:51:53,630 --> 00:51:51,150
Perkins a reclusive veteran burned out

1221
00:51:55,900 --> 00:51:53,640
from the Gulf War lives tortured by

1222
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relentless perplexing nightmares

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[Music]

1263
00:54:04,100 --> 00:53:59,790
welcome back into the para cast the gold

1264
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1265
00:54:15,359 --> 00:54:12,520
here's Jane Steinberg okay so we're

1266
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:15,369
talking about preston nichols now before

1267
00:54:20,240 --> 00:54:18,010
we consider some of the things he says

1268
00:54:22,710 --> 00:54:20,250
and this weird home in which he lived

1269
00:54:24,210 --> 00:54:22,720
Christopher what kind of background does

1270
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:24,220
he have okay

1271
00:54:29,580 --> 00:54:26,890
well Preston Nichols background is very

1272
00:54:32,030 --> 00:54:29,590
enigmatic because we don't know every

1273
00:54:34,650 --> 00:54:32,040
time you ask for a document of his

1274
00:54:37,109 --> 00:54:34,660
academia he says he can't produce if

1275
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:37,119
those documents were wiped he does know

1276
00:54:44,850 --> 00:54:42,570
a great deal about radio about

1277
00:54:46,859 --> 00:54:44,860
electronics you know it's just clear

1278
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:46,869
that he's well-read it could be rote

1279
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:48,850
memory from books I just don't know if

1280
00:54:53,580 --> 00:54:51,970
his his formal education because he's

1281
00:54:56,010 --> 00:54:53,590
never been able to produce a document

1282
00:54:58,800 --> 00:54:56,020
for us whenever we asked there's no

1283
00:55:01,650 --> 00:54:58,810
paper trail over Preston Nichols so that

1284
00:55:03,300 --> 00:55:01,660
you could find but well now now that I'm

1285
00:55:05,460 --> 00:55:03,310
getting this information from this

1286
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:05,470
person that I mentioned to you earlier

1287
00:55:10,980 --> 00:55:08,890
from this chemical company the names are

1288
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:10,990
in line with names that Preston had said

1289
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:13,090
in the past you know and and there are

1290
00:55:17,580 --> 00:55:15,130
technologies just reverting back to

1291
00:55:20,130 --> 00:55:17,590
Alfred be look for a second that Al

1292
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:20,140
mentioned in O six to me that I had

1293
00:55:24,990 --> 00:55:22,210
never heard of and that I researched and

1294
00:55:26,670 --> 00:55:25,000
couldn't find and then lo and behold in

1295
00:55:28,740 --> 00:55:26,680
the last couple of years some of the

1296
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:28,750
things that al said that were being used

1297
00:55:34,410 --> 00:55:32,170
like the Leviton train system like the

1298
00:55:36,420 --> 00:55:34,420
age regression these things are not

1299
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:36,430
science fiction anymore you know Harvard

1300
00:55:42,750 --> 00:55:39,970
study uh age regressed a mouse okay by

1301
00:55:45,720 --> 00:55:42,760
three years they did it recently now as

1302
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:45,730
you know and science moves exponentially

1303
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:47,890
technology moves exponentially they're

1304
00:55:52,380 --> 00:55:49,450
gonna be able to age regress a person

1305
00:55:55,950 --> 00:55:52,390
someday and those levels not hurry with

1306
00:55:58,770 --> 00:55:55,960
me me too well you know it's just it's

1307
00:56:00,420 --> 00:55:58,780
it's gonna happen so I don't know the

1308
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:00,430
stories that out were who was telling

1309
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:02,650
aren't so crazy and maybe the stories

1310
00:56:06,630 --> 00:56:04,330
that Preston was telling aren't so crazy

1311
00:56:08,430 --> 00:56:06,640
and one thing that Preston said and you

1312
00:56:08,940 --> 00:56:08,440
were and in regard Chris to what you

1313
00:56:11,730 --> 00:56:08,950
were saying

1314
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:11,740
earlier how how erratic he is and he is

1315
00:56:16,740 --> 00:56:14,170
that way what he explained it and said

1316
00:56:18,900 --> 00:56:16,750
you know they don't kill you anymore

1317
00:56:20,310 --> 00:56:18,910
when you put this information out they

1318
00:56:22,980 --> 00:56:20,320
just discredit you and make you look

1319
00:56:26,069 --> 00:56:22,990
crazy so is it is it possible that

1320
00:56:29,010 --> 00:56:26,079
Preston is being messed with in some way

1321
00:56:31,710 --> 00:56:29,020
and being made to seem like Doc Brown

1322
00:56:33,240 --> 00:56:31,720
from Back to the Future possibly you

1323
00:56:35,910 --> 00:56:33,250
know Doc Brown and Back to the Future

1324
00:56:37,109 --> 00:56:35,920
was accurate he was really a scientist

1325
00:56:40,109 --> 00:56:37,119
who developed what he said he was

1326
00:56:42,089 --> 00:56:40,119
developing as crazy as he was sure sure

1327
00:56:44,010 --> 00:56:42,099
but we associate someone like Preston

1328
00:56:45,540 --> 00:56:44,020
with that and whenever you hear Preston

1329
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:45,550
in an interview he comes out with

1330
00:56:49,770 --> 00:56:47,890
something very inappropriate that almost

1331
00:56:51,569 --> 00:56:49,780
kind of sucks the credibility out of

1332
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:51,579
what he's saying you know you go listen

1333
00:56:55,589 --> 00:56:53,650
to his last coast-to-coast interview and

1334
00:56:57,810 --> 00:56:55,599
you'll see what I mean when the camera

1335
00:57:00,000 --> 00:56:57,820
went off in 2013 when I reinter viewed

1336
00:57:02,550 --> 00:57:00,010
Preston he was less erratic and what

1337
00:57:04,170 --> 00:57:02,560
something that happened and he knew the

1338
00:57:06,060 --> 00:57:04,180
camera was off it's like he totally knew

1339
00:57:06,870 --> 00:57:06,070
that I wasn't faking it I really shut

1340
00:57:10,140 --> 00:57:06,880
the camera off

1341
00:57:11,550 --> 00:57:10,150
all of a sudden he was lucid he stood up

1342
00:57:13,020 --> 00:57:11,560
straight and he said you know

1343
00:57:15,569 --> 00:57:13,030
Christopher there's just some things I

1344
00:57:17,190 --> 00:57:15,579
can't say when you're cameras rolling it

1345
00:57:19,410 --> 00:57:17,200
was very different than he was when he

1346
00:57:22,589 --> 00:57:19,420
was on camera leads me to believe that

1347
00:57:24,540 --> 00:57:22,599
possibly maybe he is helping to conceal

1348
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:24,550
some things maybe some things are being

1349
00:57:28,319 --> 00:57:26,410
let out and his speech I don't know

1350
00:57:30,329 --> 00:57:28,329
because there's so many layers to

1351
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:30,339
something like this it's not like you're

1352
00:57:34,319 --> 00:57:32,650
exploring a Sasquatch sighting or you

1353
00:57:36,300 --> 00:57:34,329
know we're going to look for the Loch

1354
00:57:39,359 --> 00:57:36,310
Ness monster with Jacques Cousteau this

1355
00:57:41,309 --> 00:57:39,369
is a different thing if it is true we're

1356
00:57:43,530 --> 00:57:41,319
talking about hundreds of thousands of

1357
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:43,540
children that were murdered in the

1358
00:57:49,079 --> 00:57:46,450
process of these experiments and there's

1359
00:57:51,450 --> 00:57:49,089
a lot to lose on the part of the people

1360
00:57:53,730 --> 00:57:51,460
who ran this thing even after ten years

1361
00:57:56,339 --> 00:57:53,740
of me talking of everybody involved

1362
00:57:58,290 --> 00:57:56,349
basically it's like you got nowhere and

1363
00:58:02,040 --> 00:57:58,300
my movie kind of ends that way where I I

1364
00:58:04,890 --> 00:58:02,050
say it's analogous to a long road

1365
00:58:07,260 --> 00:58:04,900
bordered by a dark forest on both ends

1366
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:07,270
and it's endless that's how I feel I had

1367
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:09,490
to just step out of it because it's just

1368
00:58:13,020 --> 00:58:11,050
this information being bombarded with

1369
00:58:15,210 --> 00:58:13,030
and you get nowhere after years of

1370
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:15,220
sifting through things those Preston

1371
00:58:19,740 --> 00:58:16,930
Nichols have any official claims about

1372
00:58:22,099 --> 00:58:19,750
his background and work experience oh

1373
00:58:23,749 --> 00:58:22,109
yeah I mean if you if you read the

1374
00:58:27,710 --> 00:58:23,759
literature that's out there Preston

1375
00:58:30,289 --> 00:58:27,720
claims he did sound design work for

1376
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:30,299
George Lucas on Star Wars he worked with

1377
00:58:36,019 --> 00:58:33,450
Stanley Kubrick on 2001 a Space Odyssey

1378
00:58:38,809 --> 00:58:36,029
again all undocumented but again Stan

1379
00:58:40,789 --> 00:58:38,819
Kubrick was in New York at the time when

1380
00:58:43,729 --> 00:58:40,799
he was making 2001 or in and out of New

1381
00:58:45,650 --> 00:58:43,739
York and so was Preston and and if you

1382
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:45,660
read about Stanley Kubrick he did hire

1383
00:58:50,299 --> 00:58:47,970
kind of fringe people to work with him

1384
00:58:52,039 --> 00:58:50,309
every now and then on things so it's

1385
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:52,049
possible the Preston was there and he

1386
00:58:58,999 --> 00:58:55,650
went uncredited Preston claims that he

1387
00:58:59,660 --> 00:58:59,009
was absorbed by Brookhaven labs first he

1388
00:59:02,779 --> 00:58:59,670
was hired

1389
00:59:04,999 --> 00:59:02,789
is that possible yes and then from

1390
00:59:07,910 --> 00:59:05,009
Brookhaven he went on to the Montauk

1391
00:59:09,499 --> 00:59:07,920
Project both him and Alfred Bielek also

1392
00:59:11,839 --> 00:59:09,509
claimed that they had their memories

1393
00:59:13,789 --> 00:59:11,849
there or at least their memories were

1394
00:59:17,299 --> 00:59:13,799
attempted to be white and then they

1395
00:59:20,210 --> 00:59:17,309
started recalling their experiences at

1396
00:59:23,839 --> 00:59:20,220
Camp hero in the late 80s or early 90s

1397
00:59:25,789 --> 00:59:23,849
so again they didn't remember this for a

1398
00:59:28,430 --> 00:59:25,799
while then they had a series of events

1399
00:59:29,989 --> 00:59:28,440
that started to recall the memories and

1400
00:59:32,539 --> 00:59:29,999
the reason why they claimed their

1401
00:59:34,910 --> 00:59:32,549
stories are so convoluted is that it's

1402
00:59:40,279 --> 00:59:34,920
coming from memory fragments they don't

1403
00:59:41,989 --> 00:59:40,289
remember everything well you know I just

1404
00:59:44,239 --> 00:59:41,999
I find it very interesting that he

1405
00:59:48,589 --> 00:59:44,249
should be all twitchy and and you know

1406
00:59:50,870 --> 00:59:48,599
just he's a fidget and then when the

1407
00:59:52,190 --> 00:59:50,880
camera goes off he then appears normal

1408
00:59:54,499 --> 00:59:52,200
it's almost like he's putting on an act

1409
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:54,509
for the camera yeah and that was if you

1410
00:59:58,400 --> 00:59:55,890
know Preston it

1411
01:00:00,470 --> 00:59:58,410
it's very strange of him to do because

1412
01:00:04,690 --> 01:00:00,480
he's usually consistent with hit that

1413
01:00:07,910 --> 01:00:04,700
erratic behavior well how old is he

1414
01:00:11,930 --> 01:00:07,920
Preston's in his 60s looks a little

1415
01:00:14,420 --> 01:00:11,940
older no well I'm just really intrigued

1416
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:14,430
by by all the characters I think they're

1417
01:00:18,229 --> 01:00:16,650
all and and as you mentioned they have

1418
01:00:20,989 --> 01:00:18,239
been fairly consistent over the years

1419
01:00:23,539 --> 01:00:20,999
but this Duncan Cameron character has

1420
01:00:27,229 --> 01:00:23,549
always been I think a major problem for

1421
01:00:28,789 --> 01:00:27,239
the claims I I seem to remember back in

1422
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:28,799
the 90s didn't someone do a background

1423
01:00:33,630 --> 01:00:30,450
check on him and found out he was an

1424
01:00:35,370 --> 01:00:33,640
actor and porn movies or something I

1425
01:00:37,799 --> 01:00:35,380
several things about him that don't

1426
01:00:40,829 --> 01:00:37,809
quite wash and of course his claim that

1427
01:00:44,130 --> 01:00:40,839
he's actually a time traveler from the

1428
01:00:46,620 --> 01:00:44,140
40s who was Al Bielek brother as the

1429
01:00:50,279 --> 01:00:46,630
other body it gets pretty kind of hinky

1430
01:00:51,990 --> 01:00:50,289
and weird and to be honest kind of

1431
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:52,000
head-scratching so why don't you give us

1432
01:00:56,750 --> 01:00:54,490
a little sense of Duncan Cameron and the

1433
01:01:01,380 --> 01:00:56,760
the alleged relationship with Al Bielek

1434
01:01:03,690 --> 01:01:01,390
well okay Duncan's part allegedly and

1435
01:01:07,109 --> 01:01:03,700
the Montauk experiments was that he was

1436
01:01:09,329 --> 01:01:07,119
a very powerful psychic in 1983 duncan

1437
01:01:11,339 --> 01:01:09,339
was sitting in the montauk chair as they

1438
01:01:15,750 --> 01:01:11,349
called it which was used for various

1439
01:01:17,430 --> 01:01:15,760
things and Duncan Preston or now got

1440
01:01:20,130 --> 01:01:17,440
together and decided that they were

1441
01:01:22,140 --> 01:01:20,140
going to destroy this project end it

1442
01:01:23,579 --> 01:01:22,150
because the intention of the project

1443
01:01:25,410 --> 01:01:23,589
directors the people who were running

1444
01:01:27,569 --> 01:01:25,420
the whole thing their intention was to

1445
01:01:29,279 --> 01:01:27,579
control the entire population with the

1446
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:29,289
now developed mind control

1447
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:33,250
so in this Montauk chair Duncan and

1448
01:01:39,029 --> 01:01:36,970
Preston recalled the Forbidden Planet

1449
01:01:41,460 --> 01:01:39,039
movie you know the monster from the it'd

1450
01:01:43,529 --> 01:01:41,470
and they said we were with the chairs

1451
01:01:45,539 --> 01:01:43,539
power and Duncan's supposed to be this

1452
01:01:47,910 --> 01:01:45,549
powerful psychic we were gonna bring the

1453
01:01:50,609 --> 01:01:47,920
monster from the air into reality and

1454
01:01:53,819 --> 01:01:50,619
destroy the project and so that's what

1455
01:01:56,910 --> 01:01:53,829
they claimed they did my interaction

1456
01:01:59,099 --> 01:01:56,920
with Duncan Cameron is very limited

1457
01:02:00,809 --> 01:01:59,109
because I had contacted him I spoke with

1458
01:02:02,759 --> 01:02:00,819
him on the phone a couple of times and

1459
01:02:06,089 --> 01:02:02,769
he was interested in being part of the

1460
01:02:08,279 --> 01:02:06,099
film but he was elusive at the same time

1461
01:02:10,620 --> 01:02:08,289
and said he didn't do interviews anymore

1462
01:02:12,569 --> 01:02:10,630
but I I'll do this I'll do it in six

1463
01:02:14,190 --> 01:02:12,579
months six months pass by he didn't do

1464
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:14,200
it they didn't get much information from

1465
01:02:19,740 --> 01:02:17,130
him and I only have the alleged

1466
01:02:22,769 --> 01:02:19,750
information that they say he was part of

1467
01:02:25,230 --> 01:02:22,779
you could see some videos on YouTube and

1468
01:02:27,839 --> 01:02:25,240
my opinion they're quite silly from the

1469
01:02:29,099 --> 01:02:27,849
early 90s with Preston and Duncan at

1470
01:02:31,109 --> 01:02:29,109
least the ones where they're touring the

1471
01:02:33,329 --> 01:02:31,119
base and you know Duncan's naked and

1472
01:02:35,249 --> 01:02:33,339
Preston's holding up a strip of black

1473
01:02:37,170 --> 01:02:35,259
paper to cover his genitals I mean this

1474
01:02:40,670 --> 01:02:37,180
is all kind of silly stuff in my opinion

1475
01:02:43,559 --> 01:02:40,680
but the thing is I needed to stay

1476
01:02:45,269 --> 01:02:43,569
objective and that was my approach to

1477
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:45,279
this I wanted it to be very different

1478
01:02:49,950 --> 01:02:47,290
than the information that's out there

1479
01:02:52,950 --> 01:02:49,960
so I wanted the audience to be able to

1480
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:52,960
not scrutinize but to keep an open mind

1481
01:02:58,530 --> 01:02:56,170
to voice inflection facial expression

1482
01:03:01,500 --> 01:02:58,540
the things I asked you to see and look

1483
01:03:03,810 --> 01:03:01,510
at and observe in the picture so regard

1484
01:03:05,430 --> 01:03:03,820
to Duncan he's not in it his character

1485
01:03:07,110 --> 01:03:05,440
is in it I have someone portray him in a

1486
01:03:10,890 --> 01:03:07,120
reenactment because of the story that

1487
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:10,900
pressed in an alto but I didn't get much

1488
01:03:15,660 --> 01:03:13,810
from him and again his his involvement

1489
01:03:18,060 --> 01:03:15,670
in the montauk project they claim he was

1490
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:18,070
hired because he was very powerful and

1491
01:03:22,770 --> 01:03:20,890
that he could manifest ideas and

1492
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:22,780
thoughts into physical reality through

1493
01:03:27,090 --> 01:03:24,850
the usage of this montauk chair device

1494
01:03:29,910 --> 01:03:27,100
I'm gonna ask what that is in a moment

1495
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:29,920
Christopher Guerra tano is joining us to

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talk about the Montauk Project and all

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becomes KK Christopher Garrett ah no

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what kind of chair you're talking about

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okay so this is a very prominent object

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in the alleged Montauk experiments it's

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called the Montauk chair it was

1609
01:08:37,550 --> 01:08:35,700
described several different ways to be

1610
01:08:39,710 --> 01:08:37,560
so I it was it was difficult to portray

1611
01:08:41,390 --> 01:08:39,720
because I got a different story from

1612
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:41,400
each person a little bit you know it was

1613
01:08:45,860 --> 01:08:42,810
slightly different every time someone

1614
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:45,870
described it but it was a chair like a

1615
01:08:51,710 --> 01:08:48,410
dentist's chair or sometimes a makeshift

1616
01:08:53,810 --> 01:08:51,720
lounge chair as Preston described it in

1617
01:08:56,930 --> 01:08:53,820
the latest interview it was hooked up to

1618
01:08:58,370 --> 01:08:56,940
a device where if a psychic what was

1619
01:09:01,490 --> 01:08:58,380
used for many different reasons but one

1620
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:01,500
of the reasons was that if this psychic

1621
01:09:06,980 --> 01:09:04,650
when Duncan Cameron's case was laying in

1622
01:09:11,900 --> 01:09:06,990
this chair if he thought of an inanimate

1623
01:09:14,270 --> 01:09:11,910
object like a glass or a baseball or an

1624
01:09:15,820 --> 01:09:14,280
apple or even though that's organic they

1625
01:09:18,220 --> 01:09:15,830
could manifest it into physical reality

1626
01:09:21,440 --> 01:09:18,230
then they were started to work on

1627
01:09:24,110 --> 01:09:21,450
animate objects like a mouse and they

1628
01:09:26,480 --> 01:09:24,120
said they got as far as Duncan thinking

1629
01:09:28,430 --> 01:09:26,490
of a mouse and then it was brought into

1630
01:09:30,470 --> 01:09:28,440
physical reality through his thoughts

1631
01:09:33,170 --> 01:09:30,480
and through the technology and the chair

1632
01:09:35,540 --> 01:09:33,180
it was alien technology that it would

1633
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:35,550
manifest this mouse into physical

1634
01:09:40,250 --> 01:09:38,250
reality so when the project got to a

1635
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:40,260
point where it seemed to be out of

1636
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:43,050
control children were being murdered and

1637
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:44,850
now they were gonna bring this mind

1638
01:09:49,690 --> 01:09:47,130
control and and and control the whole

1639
01:09:52,850 --> 01:09:49,700
United States possibly the world with it

1640
01:09:54,860 --> 01:09:52,860
so it was Preston Al and Duncan got

1641
01:09:56,450 --> 01:09:54,870
together and decided to use the chair

1642
01:09:58,490 --> 01:09:56,460
for good this is the story that's told

1643
01:10:00,500 --> 01:09:58,500
in the original Montauk book that

1644
01:10:02,300 --> 01:10:00,510
Preston wrote they avoided a lot of the

1645
01:10:02,750 --> 01:10:02,310
the boys stuff the montauk boy stuff

1646
01:10:05,209 --> 01:10:02,760
which I

1647
01:10:07,430 --> 01:10:05,219
focused on in my film they say that they

1648
01:10:09,049 --> 01:10:07,440
got together and they needed to keep an

1649
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:09,059
image in their mind something that would

1650
01:10:12,979 --> 01:10:11,010
help destroy the project so of course if

1651
01:10:14,299 --> 01:10:12,989
you go back to the the old movie

1652
01:10:17,029 --> 01:10:14,309
Forbidden Planet the science fiction

1653
01:10:19,069 --> 01:10:17,039
film with Leslie Nielsen they thought of

1654
01:10:21,410 --> 01:10:19,079
the monster from the it this was this

1655
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:21,420
energy monster in Forbidden Planet so

1656
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:23,730
Duncan had the image of the monster from

1657
01:10:29,029 --> 01:10:26,130
the ED in his mind and apparently they

1658
01:10:32,959 --> 01:10:29,039
created it in our physical reality in

1659
01:10:35,629 --> 01:10:32,969
1983 August 12 1983 the monster from the

1660
01:10:38,839 --> 01:10:35,639
it came to life they called it junior

1661
01:10:41,299 --> 01:10:38,849
this monster destroyed the base ripped

1662
01:10:43,250 --> 01:10:41,309
up machinery chased people around scared

1663
01:10:46,220 --> 01:10:43,260
people to the point where the Montauk

1664
01:10:48,919 --> 01:10:46,230
Project itself crashed and that is the

1665
01:10:51,620 --> 01:10:48,929
story it sounds like it would make a

1666
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:51,630
great Hollywood feature sure and I'm

1667
01:10:57,140 --> 01:10:55,050
sure it will Christopher I mentioned

1668
01:10:59,089 --> 01:10:57,150
before the show that I was riding in to

1669
01:11:01,000 --> 01:10:59,099
work on them on the numbers six train

1670
01:11:04,220 --> 01:11:01,010
and and read the article in The Times

1671
01:11:08,450 --> 01:11:04,230
about the cats going crazy on Montag no

1672
01:11:10,669 --> 01:11:08,460
that is documented this figures as an

1673
01:11:13,459 --> 01:11:10,679
interesting aside in I think the

1674
01:11:15,649 --> 01:11:13,469
original book by Nichols the or possibly

1675
01:11:17,959 --> 01:11:15,659
the Peter Moon book I spend so long I

1676
01:11:21,049 --> 01:11:17,969
forget but have you done any sort of

1677
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:21,059
digging into that do we have any leg up

1678
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:24,090
on what the possible cause of that might

1679
01:11:30,290 --> 01:11:27,210
be once you explain first of all why

1680
01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:30,300
people the principles in this case said

1681
01:11:33,589 --> 01:11:32,130
that that happened and then you know any

1682
01:11:36,049 --> 01:11:33,599
work that you've done tried to figure it

1683
01:11:39,709 --> 01:11:36,059
out yes well I have a direct story for

1684
01:11:41,629 --> 01:11:39,719
this I was at the Montauk Library and I

1685
01:11:43,220 --> 01:11:41,639
was really I mean I spent a lot of time

1686
01:11:45,290 --> 01:11:43,230
there I was really looking through their

1687
01:11:45,740 --> 01:11:45,300
archives trying to find something to go

1688
01:11:46,879 --> 01:11:45,750
on

1689
01:11:49,189 --> 01:11:46,889
it was difficult there's a lot of

1690
01:11:51,830 --> 01:11:49,199
history to camp hero as we both know and

1691
01:11:54,109 --> 01:11:51,840
it was listed as a covert operation

1692
01:11:55,759 --> 01:11:54,119
because the the that was there the

1693
01:11:58,700 --> 01:11:55,769
military group that was there early on

1694
01:12:01,520 --> 01:11:58,710
and camp hero portrayed themselves as a

1695
01:12:03,890 --> 01:12:01,530
private fishing village to the people of

1696
01:12:06,020 --> 01:12:03,900
town even though the people of it in the

1697
01:12:09,799 --> 01:12:06,030
town of Montauk knew there was something

1698
01:12:12,950 --> 01:12:09,809
going on so there was a story that

1699
01:12:14,950 --> 01:12:12,960
people were having headaches and that

1700
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:14,960
animals were running all over the town

1701
01:12:20,979 --> 01:12:17,690
and cats were freaking out well I spoke

1702
01:12:24,220 --> 01:12:20,989
to the Montauk library archivist there

1703
01:12:26,440 --> 01:12:24,230
and at first the natural reaction of the

1704
01:12:27,729 --> 01:12:26,450
locals some of them at the very because

1705
01:12:30,100 --> 01:12:27,739
I've heard all sorts of stories from

1706
01:12:31,959 --> 01:12:30,110
them but the natural reaction right away

1707
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:31,969
is to say all this didn't happen it's

1708
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:32,690
baloney

1709
01:12:36,670 --> 01:12:34,610
right well that's what she said at first

1710
01:12:38,860 --> 01:12:36,680
I'll you know great great stories but

1711
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:38,870
never happened I said so you don't

1712
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:41,930
recall anything ever happening that was

1713
01:12:46,570 --> 01:12:43,850
strange because of this Air Force Base

1714
01:12:49,060 --> 01:12:46,580
that was here and then she contradicted

1715
01:12:51,310 --> 01:12:49,070
herself and said well there was

1716
01:12:53,380 --> 01:12:51,320
something she's like all of the

1717
01:12:55,690 --> 01:12:53,390
televisions started going crazy one

1718
01:12:58,120 --> 01:12:55,700
night and everybody in town was having

1719
01:13:00,250 --> 01:12:58,130
headaches she said that the thing with

1720
01:13:02,170 --> 01:13:00,260
the animals was not true but however

1721
01:13:04,990 --> 01:13:02,180
this is from her perspective maybe she

1722
01:13:08,140 --> 01:13:05,000
didn't witness animals going crazy I am

1723
01:13:09,820 --> 01:13:08,150
thinking it's because of the sage radar

1724
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:09,830
tower of semi-automatic ground

1725
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:11,810
environment radar tower and all of the

1726
01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:13,850
experiments that were being used with it

1727
01:13:18,220 --> 01:13:14,930
of course

1728
01:13:20,530 --> 01:13:18,230
affect animals affect people and affect

1729
01:13:24,090 --> 01:13:20,540
electronics so I think whatever was

1730
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:24,100
going on there was putting out extreme

1731
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:27,650
low-frequency waves or other types of

1732
01:13:34,240 --> 01:13:30,730
energy coming from the the actual radar

1733
01:13:36,130 --> 01:13:34,250
that it was affecting people another

1734
01:13:37,810 --> 01:13:36,140
story that I got years later and I

1735
01:13:39,340 --> 01:13:37,820
actually just put this out I'm putting

1736
01:13:41,260 --> 01:13:39,350
out a series of deleted scenes because

1737
01:13:43,330 --> 01:13:41,270
again I only have two hours to tell the

1738
01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:43,340
story and I tried to focus on the main

1739
01:13:48,100 --> 01:13:45,410
guys but I met a guy who charters

1740
01:13:51,100 --> 01:13:48,110
fishing trips shark fishing trips out in

1741
01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:51,110
Montauk he tells a story about and I've

1742
01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:52,370
heard the story from other people in

1743
01:13:57,100 --> 01:13:54,770
Montauk during a similar one when he was

1744
01:13:58,209 --> 01:13:57,110
out shark fishing it was a clear night

1745
01:14:00,670 --> 01:13:58,219
very late

1746
01:14:03,130 --> 01:14:00,680
they were on their way back just off the

1747
01:14:05,709 --> 01:14:03,140
coast of Montauk Point right near Camp

1748
01:14:09,910 --> 01:14:05,719
hero you know the stars were out and

1749
01:14:11,590 --> 01:14:09,920
very quiet and he said a vehicle a ship

1750
01:14:15,310 --> 01:14:11,600
came from out of the water

1751
01:14:18,100 --> 01:14:15,320
hovered over the boat changed in a rapid

1752
01:14:20,890 --> 01:14:18,110
procession of colors all sorts of colors

1753
01:14:23,140 --> 01:14:20,900
and then took off into the sky and it's

1754
01:14:26,410 --> 01:14:23,150
also the head of chamber of Montauk a

1755
01:14:28,910 --> 01:14:26,420
head Chamber of Commerce of Montauk also

1756
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:28,920
said a similar tale that he saw UF

1757
01:14:33,350 --> 01:14:31,650
floating over camp hero itself so

1758
01:14:36,470 --> 01:14:33,360
there's some credible witnesses to these

1759
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:36,480
things and these occurrences out there

1760
01:14:41,510 --> 01:14:39,090
and there's something to it in my

1761
01:14:43,610 --> 01:14:41,520
opinion even though you know it's very

1762
01:14:45,290 --> 01:14:43,620
organic you know people retract their

1763
01:14:47,240 --> 01:14:45,300
stories then they then they come back

1764
01:14:49,550 --> 01:14:47,250
and they'll contradict themselves so it

1765
01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:49,560
really takes time because you know URI

1766
01:14:53,420 --> 01:14:51,330
we'd go out there investigate and the

1767
01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:53,430
archivist says nothing ever happened so

1768
01:14:57,440 --> 01:14:55,410
if we leave it at that we go back home

1769
01:14:59,450 --> 01:14:57,450
and write this and she said nothing ever

1770
01:15:01,130 --> 01:14:59,460
happened the reality of it is something

1771
01:15:02,270 --> 01:15:01,140
did happen and I stayed there long

1772
01:15:04,460 --> 01:15:02,280
enough and pressed her with more

1773
01:15:07,370 --> 01:15:04,470
questions she refused to speak on camera

1774
01:15:09,230 --> 01:15:07,380
but this is what she said well as is our

1775
01:15:11,480 --> 01:15:09,240
custom here at the podcast we invite our

1776
01:15:14,090 --> 01:15:11,490
listeners to post questions for our

1777
01:15:16,220 --> 01:15:14,100
guests at forum dr parra cast calm and

1778
01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:16,230
we do have some questions for you and

1779
01:15:19,550 --> 01:15:18,570
the first one I'm gonna bring up is has

1780
01:15:21,470 --> 01:15:19,560
to do with someone that you just

1781
01:15:23,870 --> 01:15:21,480
mentioned briefly in passing

1782
01:15:25,910 --> 01:15:23,880
Stuart's word low and this comes from

1783
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:25,920
Chris Johnson who's been a forum poster

1784
01:15:31,310 --> 01:15:28,530
for a couple of years and he says

1785
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:31,320
interesting about your being on there

1786
01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:32,970
was a time 20 years ago that I was deep

1787
01:15:37,130 --> 01:15:34,530
into this whole Montauk thing having

1788
01:15:38,750 --> 01:15:37,140
been turned on to it by a friend I read

1789
01:15:40,010 --> 01:15:38,760
several books by Preston Nichols and

1790
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:40,020
Stuart Swerdlow

1791
01:15:44,930 --> 01:15:42,330
I even went to three or four lectures in

1792
01:15:47,300 --> 01:15:44,940
la vie vie swirl oh and my with his

1793
01:15:49,220 --> 01:15:47,310
friend back in the mid 90s and he says

1794
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:49,230
strange while completely out there kind

1795
01:15:57,500 --> 01:15:54,810
of stuff but he's wondering does number

1796
01:16:00,020 --> 01:15:57,510
one does your film okay well we've

1797
01:16:01,870 --> 01:16:00,030
already answered that but number two he

1798
01:16:05,330 --> 01:16:01,880
wanted to know if it deals directly with

1799
01:16:07,250 --> 01:16:05,340
Preston's information and we've already

1800
01:16:09,080 --> 01:16:07,260
kind of covered that but the second

1801
01:16:10,910 --> 01:16:09,090
question is does the film address the

1802
01:16:13,210 --> 01:16:10,920
wide-ranging and seemingly wild claims

1803
01:16:16,430 --> 01:16:13,220
made by the alleged psychically gifted

1804
01:16:18,770 --> 01:16:16,440
longtime project participant prisoner

1805
01:16:20,540 --> 01:16:18,780
and the program Swerdlow did you talk to

1806
01:16:23,210 --> 01:16:20,550
Swerdlow for the film and was he able to

1807
01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:23,220
verify any of sweared Lowe's claims

1808
01:16:26,450 --> 01:16:24,930
about the project his involvement or

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01:16:28,430 --> 01:16:26,460
claims he makes about himself personally

1810
01:16:29,450 --> 01:16:28,440
let's do our break and then we'll find

1811
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out what that answer is

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hi this is eight Pope's you're listening

1925
01:21:01,569 --> 01:20:58,280
to the paragon on the power cast with

1926
01:21:04,119 --> 01:21:01,579
Jean and Kay Kay and Christopher Garrett

1927
01:21:04,839 --> 01:21:04,129
on Oh whose writer director producer of

1928
01:21:08,829 --> 01:21:04,849
Montauk

1929
01:21:10,719 --> 01:21:08,839
chronicles what a fascinating subject ke

1930
01:21:13,689 --> 01:21:10,729
ke asked you a question do you have a

1931
01:21:16,449 --> 01:21:13,699
response I do yes Stuart is very

1932
01:21:19,209 --> 01:21:16,459
prominent in the film oftentimes even

1933
01:21:21,509 --> 01:21:19,219
more so than the other subjects and I

1934
01:21:26,259 --> 01:21:21,519
had I spent a lot of time with Stuart

1935
01:21:29,139 --> 01:21:26,269
you know he's the one that really had me

1936
01:21:32,649 --> 01:21:29,149
make my decision inspired me to make my

1937
01:21:35,529 --> 01:21:32,659
decision to move forward because whereas

1938
01:21:38,020 --> 01:21:35,539
Alfred at the time and Preston very much

1939
01:21:41,349 --> 01:21:38,030
so at the time were kind of erratic and

1940
01:21:43,029 --> 01:21:41,359
telling all sorts of tales Stuart was

1941
01:21:45,609 --> 01:21:43,039
different you know you get to his house

1942
01:21:49,679 --> 01:21:45,619
and it's a calm environment he has a

1943
01:21:52,599 --> 01:21:49,689
family his children he has a wife

1944
01:21:55,959 --> 01:21:52,609
intelligent guests discussing things and

1945
01:21:59,619 --> 01:21:55,969
that's what really kind of made me

1946
01:22:01,959 --> 01:21:59,629
consider all this as truth also you know

1947
01:22:05,619 --> 01:22:01,969
Stuart has an organization right now

1948
01:22:07,779 --> 01:22:05,629
called expansions where he claims to

1949
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:07,789
have the information that he learned and

1950
01:22:12,010 --> 01:22:09,770
montauk techniques

1951
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:12,020
that we're used to control or that used

1952
01:22:18,609 --> 01:22:15,010
to manipulate energies and is now

1953
01:22:20,470 --> 01:22:18,619
offering this as a way to use it for

1954
01:22:22,510 --> 01:22:20,480
positive reasons to defend yourself

1955
01:22:25,180 --> 01:22:22,520
against you know the mass mind control

1956
01:22:27,189 --> 01:22:25,190
that's out there things like that and so

1957
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:27,199
he's he has a great following of people

1958
01:22:32,740 --> 01:22:29,210
that really believed in his information

1959
01:22:34,390 --> 01:22:32,750
in regard to Stuart's claims checking

1960
01:22:35,859 --> 01:22:34,400
out it's weird it's another situation

1961
01:22:38,470 --> 01:22:35,869
where Al was telling me about the

1962
01:22:40,390 --> 01:22:38,480
technology Stuart would make a claim

1963
01:22:43,450 --> 01:22:40,400
that I thought in the beginning was kind

1964
01:22:45,580 --> 01:22:43,460
of outrageous like you know you reads -

1965
01:22:47,260 --> 01:22:45,590
its biography it says he can speak like

1966
01:22:49,479 --> 01:22:47,270
you know you know ten different

1967
01:22:51,430 --> 01:22:49,489
languages and at first I was like I had

1968
01:22:53,140 --> 01:22:51,440
only heard Stuart's speak English but

1969
01:22:55,450 --> 01:22:53,150
then spending more time around him I

1970
01:22:57,640 --> 01:22:55,460
actually saw him speak these languages

1971
01:22:59,560 --> 01:22:57,650
fluently so that's true now that doesn't

1972
01:23:01,990 --> 01:22:59,570
make him part of the montauk project but

1973
01:23:05,050 --> 01:23:02,000
a lot of other things check out okay so

1974
01:23:08,379 --> 01:23:05,060
in the case of Stuart's credibility and

1975
01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:08,389
his background you know it took time but

1976
01:23:12,970 --> 01:23:10,610
a lot of things were checking out in his

1977
01:23:16,089 --> 01:23:12,980
case and he's somebody who I think out

1978
01:23:18,609 --> 01:23:16,099
of all of the men involved has received

1979
01:23:20,379 --> 01:23:18,619
the greatest backlash the the largest

1980
01:23:22,839 --> 01:23:20,389
amount of ridicule and it's pressed

1981
01:23:24,669 --> 01:23:22,849
forward with this information in great

1982
01:23:27,100 --> 01:23:24,679
detail he puts an enormous amount of

1983
01:23:28,709 --> 01:23:27,110
effort into designing these seminars so

1984
01:23:31,629 --> 01:23:28,719
you have to take that into consideration

1985
01:23:33,850 --> 01:23:31,639
usually I've seen hucksters out there

1986
01:23:36,550 --> 01:23:33,860
and what they do is they'll take a great

1987
01:23:38,350 --> 01:23:36,560
amount of factual information mix it

1988
01:23:40,870 --> 01:23:38,360
with the hodgepodge stuff the the

1989
01:23:42,459 --> 01:23:40,880
hogwash and then put it out into the

1990
01:23:44,979 --> 01:23:42,469
world so if people cross-reference

1991
01:23:46,990 --> 01:23:44,989
things they'll say well this is true so

1992
01:23:48,729 --> 01:23:47,000
it's associated with the lies and he can

1993
01:23:51,280 --> 01:23:48,739
he can get it out there in Stuart's case

1994
01:23:54,339 --> 01:23:51,290
I've known I've witnessed a great amount

1995
01:23:56,169 --> 01:23:54,349
of effort and detail put into his

1996
01:23:58,330 --> 01:23:56,179
seminars and put it into his thing so I

1997
01:24:00,669 --> 01:23:58,340
you know I want to further explore that

1998
01:24:03,310 --> 01:24:00,679
in the next picture you know to answer

1999
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:03,320
your question I just feel like there's

2000
01:24:08,770 --> 01:24:06,010
so much detail and so much time put into

2001
01:24:10,839 --> 01:24:08,780
efforts by by Stuart outside of just

2002
01:24:12,939 --> 01:24:10,849
putting out books it's just a constant

2003
01:24:14,649 --> 01:24:12,949
thing with him that it must be taken

2004
01:24:17,470 --> 01:24:14,659
into consideration that uh

2005
01:24:20,109 --> 01:24:17,480
what a great effort to perpetuate a

2006
01:24:22,750 --> 01:24:20,119
'silly lie if it is I you know I can't

2007
01:24:25,240 --> 01:24:22,760
imagine anyone ever going to those

2008
01:24:27,669 --> 01:24:25,250
Lengths especially when it's not making

2009
01:24:29,259 --> 01:24:27,679
Stuart rich so it's just from my own

2010
01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:29,269
observation almost for almost ten years

2011
01:24:36,009 --> 01:24:32,570
okay so is it your assessment then that

2012
01:24:39,549 --> 01:24:36,019
Al Bielek Preston Nichols Stuart's

2013
01:24:42,339 --> 01:24:39,559
Swerdlow they all believe what they're

2014
01:24:44,950 --> 01:24:42,349
selling here I think for sure in

2015
01:24:48,279 --> 01:24:44,960
Preston's case I think for sure and

2016
01:24:52,450 --> 01:24:48,289
Stuart's case do they believe it

2017
01:24:54,669 --> 01:24:52,460
happened yeah I mean in an Al's case yes

2018
01:24:57,520 --> 01:24:54,679
but you know it always seemed it's weird

2019
01:25:00,009 --> 01:24:57,530
because if I were to believe these men I

2020
01:25:02,200 --> 01:25:00,019
must believe and this is again after

2021
01:25:05,410 --> 01:25:02,210
many years of researching I believe that

2022
01:25:07,149 --> 01:25:05,420
it's partly fiction they may believe

2023
01:25:09,490 --> 01:25:07,159
that certain things have happened I

2024
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:09,500
think they're implanted in their minds I

2025
01:25:13,810 --> 01:25:11,690
think it was meant to be as a

2026
01:25:15,790 --> 01:25:13,820
distraction from what really happened I

2027
01:25:18,490 --> 01:25:15,800
think some of the imagery like the

2028
01:25:20,140 --> 01:25:18,500
heroic crash of the project and all of

2029
01:25:21,910 --> 01:25:20,150
that with a monster from the it'd I

2030
01:25:23,649 --> 01:25:21,920
don't know about that I mean is it

2031
01:25:26,759 --> 01:25:23,659
possible sure anything's possible but

2032
01:25:29,109 --> 01:25:26,769
I'm leaning towards this is such a

2033
01:25:31,899 --> 01:25:29,119
one-dimensional tale as such a c-grade

2034
01:25:34,359 --> 01:25:31,909
you know heroic science fiction tale

2035
01:25:36,910 --> 01:25:34,369
that we've all read a million times like

2036
01:25:40,270 --> 01:25:36,920
I said wouldn't it make sense if a very

2037
01:25:42,100 --> 01:25:40,280
nefarious operation did occur let's

2038
01:25:44,049 --> 01:25:42,110
cover it up with this silly science

2039
01:25:45,609 --> 01:25:44,059
fiction story make sure these men have

2040
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:45,619
it in their minds you know under the

2041
01:25:51,220 --> 01:25:48,010
influence of heavy amounts of

2042
01:25:54,069 --> 01:25:51,230
hallucinogens that we implanted the

2043
01:25:56,410 --> 01:25:54,079
alien stories we implanted the monsters

2044
01:25:58,569 --> 01:25:56,420
that are down there and if they ever go

2045
01:25:59,919 --> 01:25:58,579
and tell the tale this is the tale

2046
01:26:02,290 --> 01:25:59,929
they're gonna tell and no one's gonna

2047
01:26:04,450 --> 01:26:02,300
believe so I I did consider this

2048
01:26:06,549 --> 01:26:04,460
possibility just one thing before we got

2049
01:26:09,240 --> 01:26:06,559
another listener questioning and that is

2050
01:26:12,250 --> 01:26:09,250
that's a theory that's also voiced about

2051
01:26:14,649 --> 01:26:12,260
UFO sightings in general that many of

2052
01:26:16,569 --> 01:26:14,659
those sightings were made-up things

2053
01:26:19,149 --> 01:26:16,579
partly due to mind control partly due to

2054
01:26:20,799 --> 01:26:19,159
test aircraft yes very much so and I

2055
01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:20,809
believe that I believe that you know

2056
01:26:24,879 --> 01:26:23,210
just like men in the Air Force or in the

2057
01:26:27,370 --> 01:26:24,889
Navy might get their hands on a piece of

2058
01:26:28,959 --> 01:26:27,380
technology and try it out and horse

2059
01:26:31,569 --> 01:26:28,969
around a little bit I think that

2060
01:26:33,100 --> 01:26:31,579
possibly we did get our hands we

2061
01:26:34,299 --> 01:26:33,110
reversed engineered some alien

2062
01:26:35,049 --> 01:26:34,309
technology I believe that's a

2063
01:26:36,279 --> 01:26:35,059
possibility

2064
01:26:38,919 --> 01:26:36,289
and then once we

2065
01:26:41,169 --> 01:26:38,929
established our own vehicles for our own

2066
01:26:43,660 --> 01:26:41,179
air force or whoever you have to try

2067
01:26:46,270 --> 01:26:43,670
them out a little bit so maybe some of

2068
01:26:48,100 --> 01:26:46,280
the abductions were the Hart government

2069
01:26:50,529 --> 01:26:48,110
trying out these craft you know what our

2070
01:26:53,470 --> 01:26:50,539
own people had a source that claimed

2071
01:26:56,529 --> 01:26:53,480
that and his story was quite believable

2072
01:26:59,410 --> 01:26:56,539
plus my cat who never went near any

2073
01:27:02,470 --> 01:26:59,420
males in her life had been abused by the

2074
01:27:03,970 --> 01:27:02,480
builders of the house as a kitten when

2075
01:27:06,100 --> 01:27:03,980
this guy walked in and sat down on the

2076
01:27:08,859 --> 01:27:06,110
couch this cat who for years I'd never

2077
01:27:10,450 --> 01:27:08,869
even petted once ran across the room and

2078
01:27:11,950 --> 01:27:10,460
jumped right in his lap it was quite

2079
01:27:16,419 --> 01:27:11,960
bizarre that impressed me more than

2080
01:27:18,879 --> 01:27:16,429
anything this guy claimed Wayne Holland

2081
01:27:20,830 --> 01:27:18,889
he claimed that he was one of the he was

2082
01:27:22,450 --> 01:27:20,840
the guy doing the the computer punch

2083
01:27:24,879 --> 01:27:22,460
cards filling out the you know the

2084
01:27:28,359 --> 01:27:24,889
number-two pencil marks on the computer

2085
01:27:29,890 --> 01:27:28,369
punch card during air force my labs in

2086
01:27:33,939 --> 01:27:29,900
the seventies in the Midwest but I

2087
01:27:35,979 --> 01:27:33,949
digress anyway here's a question from

2088
01:27:38,109 --> 01:27:35,989
the Wraiths who's been a member of the

2089
01:27:40,779 --> 01:27:38,119
parrot cast for a couple of years and

2090
01:27:42,819 --> 01:27:40,789
he's he doesn't post much but your

2091
01:27:45,009 --> 01:27:42,829
guests lot brought him out of the

2092
01:27:47,080 --> 01:27:45,019
woodwork here he says I understand that

2093
01:27:48,819 --> 01:27:47,090
mr. Garrett on Adelaide the Montauk

2094
01:27:50,859 --> 01:27:48,829
Chronicle so he could add footage one of

2095
01:27:53,020 --> 01:27:50,869
the experiences featured in the film a

2096
01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:53,030
seemingly younger man the Nichols at all

2097
01:27:57,669 --> 01:27:55,010
who claimed to be a victim of on an

2098
01:27:58,689 --> 01:27:57,679
ongoing extension of the project I have

2099
01:28:02,020 --> 01:27:58,699
to say one of the most shocking

2100
01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:02,030
impactful parts of a documentary is when

2101
01:28:06,970 --> 01:28:04,250
this man explains how a doppelganger of

2102
01:28:09,729 --> 01:28:06,980
his father abducted him took him to the

2103
01:28:11,529 --> 01:28:09,739
base of Montauk and cut off his own face

2104
01:28:14,290 --> 01:28:11,539
in front of him and then put it back on

2105
01:28:16,149 --> 01:28:14,300
the man singing sincere and actually

2106
01:28:18,759 --> 01:28:16,159
quite bitter and enraged over his

2107
01:28:22,450 --> 01:28:18,769
experiences can you explain how you

2108
01:28:24,549 --> 01:28:22,460
found this guy and what convinced him or

2109
01:28:25,839 --> 01:28:24,559
convinced you of the veracity or at

2110
01:28:28,319 --> 01:28:25,849
least the plausibility of this guy's

2111
01:28:31,450 --> 01:28:28,329
claims oh yeah I mean I I had a

2112
01:28:33,040 --> 01:28:31,460
completed version of Montauk chronicles

2113
01:28:34,779 --> 01:28:33,050
another one because I had again I

2114
01:28:36,819 --> 01:28:34,789
started this project at oh six there was

2115
01:28:39,580 --> 01:28:36,829
one completed version 2011 then I

2116
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:39,590
completed yet another version and late

2117
01:28:45,700 --> 01:28:43,010
2013 and that's when I was approached by

2118
01:28:48,509 --> 01:28:45,710
James Bruce as he requested to be called

2119
01:28:51,450 --> 01:28:48,519
on the internet on social networking

2120
01:28:53,850 --> 01:28:51,460
to me and you know I had other people

2121
01:28:55,560 --> 01:28:53,860
write to me at that time and I wasn't

2122
01:28:57,750 --> 01:28:55,570
really interested of course and delaying

2123
01:28:59,520 --> 01:28:57,760
my movie again you know I I put myself

2124
01:29:01,589 --> 01:28:59,530
through a lot to do that it's not like

2125
01:29:03,149 --> 01:29:01,599
you know you know you had money coming I

2126
01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:03,159
was doing nothing but spending and

2127
01:29:07,049 --> 01:29:05,530
spending time making it so it was

2128
01:29:08,700 --> 01:29:07,059
something about him I don't know it felt

2129
01:29:10,319 --> 01:29:08,710
it in my gut that I needed to at least

2130
01:29:12,899 --> 01:29:10,329
speak with him and I thought I was gonna

2131
01:29:14,160 --> 01:29:12,909
just use it as kind of like a an

2132
01:29:16,169 --> 01:29:14,170
extension like I've been putting out

2133
01:29:18,450 --> 01:29:16,179
recently just little you know extra

2134
01:29:20,279 --> 01:29:18,460
scenes things to bring people and bring

2135
01:29:21,540 --> 01:29:20,289
their interest into the picture but

2136
01:29:25,439 --> 01:29:21,550
after sitting with him for a little

2137
01:29:27,509 --> 01:29:25,449
while and my own instinct I realized

2138
01:29:30,270 --> 01:29:27,519
this guy really believed that this

2139
01:29:33,149 --> 01:29:30,280
happened and again it's not like I don't

2140
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something and was giving me the details

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sound like a guy who was making

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something up it sounded like he saw this

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stuff now could he be crazy and he

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imagined all of it sure but he he even

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when I tried to shake him a little bit

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and I took him out to dinner and I

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wanted him to tell me again this guy is

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on oh and we're exploring the Montauk

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chronicles about a place an Air Force

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engaged in mind-control experiments may

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be reverse engineer an alien technology

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his film that you mentioned also you've

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got another film in the works as this

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like Montauk Chronicles two or something

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yeah I have a couple of projects in the

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works one of them is something I'm

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calling ghosts of Montauk because I feel

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like you had 13 years of information

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that you're trying to squeeze into two

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hours and I shot so much footage I had

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an endless amount of interviews you know

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I interviewed locals but I needed to

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focus in that two-hour appear

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on the men the main men who claim that

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this project occurred and their story

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and that's what I did so it was

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partially told by the men themselves and

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then partially told by the reenactment

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sequences which I also researched to the

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best of my ability there's not much to

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go on in terms of detail you know and I

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wasn't gonna shove a lot of conjecture

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in people's faces so ghosts of Montauk

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is going to be the proper continue of

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this story the the proper furthering of

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this story and I won't retell the tale

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I'm gonna go into further ideas of what

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James Bruce was talking about and the

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gentleman earlier the man he was

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referring to also things that Stewart

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Swerdlow is now brought into the world

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that there are people from all over the

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world that are literally subscribing to

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Stewart's techniques and following it as

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a philosophy which is fascinating to me

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so that's gonna be in ghosts of Montauk

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as well okay so let's just take a look

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at what we have here you have three

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people in this film do you find anyone

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other than these three people really

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supporting the essence of the claims

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here there are a lot of people now and

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again it's difficult you have to be very

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cautious because I know there are a lot

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of people out there that want to believe

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they want to believe in everything and I

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do too but I offer a great deal of

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caution because how are we ever gonna

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really find the truth and things and

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especially in this case remember this is

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a covert operation that is claimed to

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have murdered you know hundreds of

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thousands of people along during the

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13-year period and you have to be very

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careful as to what you're researching

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number one and and what you really want

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to believe because if that is possible

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guaranteed that you're in big trouble

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and that's what I've been going on all

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this time so I've always tried to stay

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grounded researching this and I've

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always tried to stay objective

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and I never subscribe to anything

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without a great deal of information or a

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credible witness what about the Freedom

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of Information Act

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have you made any Freedom of Information

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requests to get background information

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on the base well I made suggestions to

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the subjects and I always wondered

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see back in 1995 there were a lot of

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people that claim they were part of the

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Tuskegee experiments as victims and the

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MKULTRA experiments so Bill Clinton

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publicly acknowledged to a degree that

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these things happened and people went

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before Congress so I the one question

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that I've always had is why didn't press

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the Nichols who Stuart's wear it lower

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anybody else involved approach Congress

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if they really are victims of this

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situation now Stuart's explanation is

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why approach the enemy who will never

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reveal the truth and I understand that

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but in the case of 1995 even though

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there was a small admission to the thing

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if you're sensible you understand that

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if they admitted to it a little bit if

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Bill Clinton came in front of the

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American public and said this happened

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but it wasn't us it was the unamerican

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Americans that did it years previous

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01:39:54,419 --> 01:39:52,179
something even worse happened you can

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guarantee that something worse happened

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and that MKULTRA did occur as the

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victims explained it and it's very

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similar to the things that allegedly

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happened at Montauk so I hope that if

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there are victims out there and they

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were part of this project

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do what Christina : in 1995 and the

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other people who were experimented upon

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01:40:17,299 --> 01:40:15,819
and MKULTRA approached Congress even

2405
01:40:19,289 --> 01:40:17,309
though they might not admit it fully

2406
01:40:22,049 --> 01:40:19,299
something can happen and that's what I'm

2407
01:40:24,119 --> 01:40:22,059
hoping happens so far nobody wants to do

2408
01:40:26,429 --> 01:40:24,129
it what about a lawyer filing a legal

2409
01:40:28,409 --> 01:40:26,439
action against the government seeking

2410
01:40:31,079 --> 01:40:28,419
recovery of damages because alleged

2411
01:40:33,000 --> 01:40:31,089
mental cruelties or physical cruelties I

2412
01:40:35,639 --> 01:40:33,010
would be interested in that as long as

2413
01:40:38,459 --> 01:40:35,649
of course an alleged victim is willing

2414
01:40:40,169 --> 01:40:38,469
to do that and I'm still waiting so I

2415
01:40:42,689 --> 01:40:40,179
can't do what I wasn't a victim of the

2416
01:40:44,849 --> 01:40:42,699
Montauk Project but I want someone who

2417
01:40:46,709 --> 01:40:44,859
was part of this to approach me and then

2418
01:40:48,659 --> 01:40:46,719
I would love to document that whole

2419
01:40:51,149 --> 01:40:48,669
situation even James Bruce at this time

2420
01:40:53,219 --> 01:40:51,159
refuses to do that because he says you

2421
01:40:54,839 --> 01:40:53,229
don't understand that everything is

2422
01:40:56,129 --> 01:40:54,849
controlled I don't want I don't want to

2423
01:40:58,709 --> 01:40:56,139
let them know and he also claims that

2424
01:41:00,869 --> 01:40:58,719
he's still a Manchurian Candidate I mean

2425
01:41:03,149 --> 01:41:00,879
he claims that he's still being assigned

2426
01:41:06,509 --> 01:41:03,159
for assassination missions so this the

2427
01:41:09,000 --> 01:41:06,519
story is so elaborate and so fast it

2428
01:41:10,739 --> 01:41:09,010
really requires you to take great

2429
01:41:12,659 --> 01:41:10,749
caution as you're going through it

2430
01:41:14,490 --> 01:41:12,669
otherwise you're you'll believe anything

2431
01:41:15,840 --> 01:41:14,500
now looking back

2432
01:41:18,480 --> 01:41:15,850
we have a lot more to cover in the next

2433
01:41:21,420 --> 01:41:18,490
few segments do you ever have reason to

2434
01:41:24,150 --> 01:41:21,430
regret making a film on this among all

2435
01:41:27,360 --> 01:41:24,160
the possible topics you could selected

2436
01:41:29,400 --> 01:41:27,370
at times while I was making Montauk

2437
01:41:31,890 --> 01:41:29,410
chronicles I did regret it because it

2438
01:41:34,080 --> 01:41:31,900
was strange I was absorbed by the whole

2439
01:41:36,990 --> 01:41:34,090
world after a mountain number of years

2440
01:41:39,330 --> 01:41:37,000
working on one subject matter it

2441
01:41:41,190 --> 01:41:39,340
swallowed my whole life my whole life

2442
01:41:43,110 --> 01:41:41,200
was consumed by I didn't just do this on

2443
01:41:45,120 --> 01:41:43,120
the weekends I did this so I was

2444
01:41:47,760 --> 01:41:45,130
basically towards the end of the stretch

2445
01:41:50,610 --> 01:41:47,770
I was a sojourner I had nowhere to

2446
01:41:52,200 --> 01:41:50,620
really live I spent all my money you

2447
01:41:53,910 --> 01:41:52,210
know everything everything my bad my

2448
01:41:56,130 --> 01:41:53,920
personnal life was falling apart my

2449
01:41:58,370 --> 01:41:56,140
health was falling apart I was really

2450
01:42:02,220 --> 01:41:58,380
that obsessed with getting this thing

2451
01:42:03,780 --> 01:42:02,230
finished and getting it right and a lot

2452
01:42:05,910 --> 01:42:03,790
of it had to do with the subject matter

2453
01:42:08,340 --> 01:42:05,920
you know when your cuz I'm I'm not only

2454
01:42:10,800 --> 01:42:08,350
the director but I'm the writer and the

2455
01:42:12,390 --> 01:42:10,810
cinematographer and the editor and the

2456
01:42:15,180 --> 01:42:12,400
special effects artist of the movie you

2457
01:42:17,760 --> 01:42:15,190
know in terms of visual effects so when

2458
01:42:20,130 --> 01:42:17,770
you're working in that way in

2459
01:42:21,330 --> 01:42:20,140
post-production on a film and only

2460
01:42:24,510 --> 01:42:21,340
people that have done this understand

2461
01:42:26,760 --> 01:42:24,520
you're seeing things thousands and

2462
01:42:28,860 --> 01:42:26,770
thousands and thousands of times over

2463
01:42:32,070 --> 01:42:28,870
sometimes in a three or four day period

2464
01:42:33,690 --> 01:42:32,080
so it's so repetitive and it's you're

2465
01:42:35,850 --> 01:42:33,700
just bombarding yourself with this

2466
01:42:38,040 --> 01:42:35,860
information on a constant basis and

2467
01:42:39,810 --> 01:42:38,050
there were times that I felt a little

2468
01:42:42,630 --> 01:42:39,820
insane working on this thing because the

2469
01:42:44,790 --> 01:42:42,640
information was just so constantly being

2470
01:42:46,860 --> 01:42:44,800
bombarded into my mind do you have

2471
01:42:50,640 --> 01:42:46,870
reason then the regret doing this kind

2472
01:42:52,890 --> 01:42:50,650
of thing not at this time no and I did

2473
01:42:55,590 --> 01:42:52,900
at that time I had feelings of regret

2474
01:42:57,690 --> 01:42:55,600
because I was stuck so deeply in this

2475
01:42:59,850 --> 01:42:57,700
thing and it was going on so long and my

2476
01:43:01,590 --> 01:42:59,860
life was kind of falling apart again and

2477
01:43:03,090 --> 01:43:01,600
you know I'm talking about it now but

2478
01:43:04,740 --> 01:43:03,100
I'm not making a big thing out of it

2479
01:43:07,170 --> 01:43:04,750
publicly I'm moving forward with my life

2480
01:43:09,900 --> 01:43:07,180
onto another project and I am interested

2481
01:43:12,630 --> 01:43:09,910
in continuing this investigation just

2482
01:43:15,600 --> 01:43:12,640
with caution I don't I'm not going to go

2483
01:43:17,430 --> 01:43:15,610
out and claim the the governments of the

2484
01:43:19,530 --> 01:43:17,440
world is so dangerous that they can just

2485
01:43:21,510 --> 01:43:19,540
wipe us out in a second and then go and

2486
01:43:23,520 --> 01:43:21,520
mess with them so I have to be really

2487
01:43:25,080 --> 01:43:23,530
careful if I believe that then I have to

2488
01:43:27,740 --> 01:43:25,090
be careful and I always question the

2489
01:43:30,650 --> 01:43:27,750
people who claim they believe but then

2490
01:43:32,600 --> 01:43:30,660
out there poking the shark and you know

2491
01:43:34,760 --> 01:43:32,610
it doesn't make any sense it's like you

2492
01:43:37,040 --> 01:43:34,770
you don't have any protection you're out

2493
01:43:39,950 --> 01:43:37,050
there poking this very dangerous beast

2494
01:43:42,290 --> 01:43:39,960
and so is it do you believe it or you're

2495
01:43:44,090 --> 01:43:42,300
just crazy you know like I and I'm

2496
01:43:45,650 --> 01:43:44,100
cautious with this stuff I want to be

2497
01:43:47,780 --> 01:43:45,660
careful as to what information I'm

2498
01:43:50,330 --> 01:43:47,790
putting across it's not like I'm gonna

2499
01:43:52,220 --> 01:43:50,340
censor myself if I find proof but I have

2500
01:43:53,810 --> 01:43:52,230
to do it with protection if I if I

2501
01:43:56,660 --> 01:43:53,820
discover that this thing really happened

2502
01:43:58,490 --> 01:43:56,670
I have documented proof you know rest

2503
01:44:00,590 --> 01:43:58,500
assured I have to be really cautious

2504
01:44:02,210 --> 01:44:00,600
about what I put out in the world but

2505
01:44:03,560 --> 01:44:02,220
just making a documentary they can say

2506
01:44:06,980 --> 01:44:03,570
well it's just fiction it's just a

2507
01:44:08,810 --> 01:44:06,990
docudrama no problem but also someone

2508
01:44:10,610 --> 01:44:08,820
takes action against you for revealing

2509
01:44:12,470 --> 01:44:10,620
things you shouldn't reveal here we go

2510
01:44:14,690 --> 01:44:12,480
three two one if that were to happen

2511
01:44:17,150 --> 01:44:14,700
that would only draw attention to the

2512
01:44:18,980 --> 01:44:17,160
project and what you're saying yes it

2513
01:44:21,200 --> 01:44:18,990
all depends on what kind of attention

2514
01:44:23,750 --> 01:44:21,210
you want on the filmmaker first and

2515
01:44:25,880 --> 01:44:23,760
foremost so my entry into this situation

2516
01:44:29,480 --> 01:44:25,890
was quite innocent I just wanted to make

2517
01:44:31,370 --> 01:44:29,490
a movie about paranormal but after years

2518
01:44:34,310 --> 01:44:31,380
of working on it it became an obsession

2519
01:44:37,550 --> 01:44:34,320
of trying to find some information

2520
01:44:39,890 --> 01:44:37,560
because out of all of the paranormal

2521
01:44:42,350 --> 01:44:39,900
mysteries out there I would say the

2522
01:44:44,480 --> 01:44:42,360
Montauk Project is quite thin in terms

2523
01:44:46,850 --> 01:44:44,490
of information you know the information

2524
01:44:48,770 --> 01:44:46,860
and the stories have grown and augmented

2525
01:44:50,300 --> 01:44:48,780
and changed over the years you know I

2526
01:44:52,880 --> 01:44:50,310
did a lot of people out there that claim

2527
01:44:54,920 --> 01:44:52,890
that the conjecture is evidenced but

2528
01:44:57,110 --> 01:44:54,930
it's not that's why I haven't repeated a

2529
01:44:58,640 --> 01:44:57,120
lot of it but I did allow these men to

2530
01:45:01,130 --> 01:44:58,650
tell their tales and I did illustrate

2531
01:45:03,800 --> 01:45:01,140
them and I wanted the audience to make

2532
01:45:06,590 --> 01:45:03,810
their decision on what this is on how

2533
01:45:08,600 --> 01:45:06,600
they feel about it even as a study of

2534
01:45:10,790 --> 01:45:08,610
the human condition or a study of

2535
01:45:13,220 --> 01:45:10,800
behavior whatever you want it to be it's

2536
01:45:15,500 --> 01:45:13,230
fine by me I will I what I want you to

2537
01:45:17,540 --> 01:45:15,510
observe as I observed Christopher

2538
01:45:19,910 --> 01:45:17,550
Garrett on Oh producer director writer

2539
01:45:26,890 --> 01:45:19,920
of the Montauk chronicles more to come

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great minds think alike the network for

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the independent-minded

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first game attack of the rockets and it

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was a critically acclaimed success and

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now there is the coming of the

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protectors a former military

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intelligence man is contacted by a space

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woman in a dream a dream that turns out

2549
01:45:53,120 --> 01:45:51,690
to be a nightmare because evil forces on

2550
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our distant planet are planning to

2551
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conquer the earth

2552
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this is gripping science fiction of the

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classic kind attack of the rock codes

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and the coming of the protectors find

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[Music]

2595
01:47:53,689 --> 01:47:49,350
welcome back to the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

2597
01:48:03,750 --> 01:48:02,050
here's Jane Steinberg Christopher

2598
01:48:06,359 --> 01:48:03,760
Garrett on I was continuing for the last

2599
01:48:09,560 --> 01:48:06,369
four segments of the show exploring the

2600
01:48:11,790 --> 01:48:09,570
background in the making of his film the

2601
01:48:15,030 --> 01:48:11,800
Montauk chronicles now if I'm looking

2602
01:48:16,919 --> 01:48:15,040
over your history of filmmaking you went

2603
01:48:18,270 --> 01:48:16,929
to the School of Visual Arts in New York

2604
01:48:20,760 --> 01:48:18,280
City so you could have become any kind

2605
01:48:22,979 --> 01:48:20,770
of filmmaker sure and well a filmmaker

2606
01:48:25,169 --> 01:48:22,989
changes from project to project that

2607
01:48:27,510 --> 01:48:25,179
happened to be the project I made after

2608
01:48:29,640 --> 01:48:27,520
my first film that was out there and you

2609
01:48:31,049 --> 01:48:29,650
know published by Image Entertainment it

2610
01:48:34,229 --> 01:48:31,059
was called horror business my first

2611
01:48:36,209 --> 01:48:34,239
topic was to cover for independent

2612
01:48:38,399 --> 01:48:36,219
horror movie makers that were out there

2613
01:48:40,080 --> 01:48:38,409
struggling to try and get a project made

2614
01:48:43,669 --> 01:48:40,090
it was interesting to me at the time it

2615
01:48:46,020 --> 01:48:43,679
was also pretty much about myself so I

2616
01:48:48,120 --> 01:48:46,030
interviewed and followed a few men and

2617
01:48:51,510 --> 01:48:48,130
that movie got out into the world and

2618
01:48:52,859 --> 01:48:51,520
then my next topic I had interest in

2619
01:48:54,780 --> 01:48:52,869
making something in regard to a

2620
01:48:57,270 --> 01:48:54,790
paranormal mystery or conspiracy and

2621
01:48:59,040 --> 01:48:57,280
that one fell in my lap and I continued

2622
01:49:01,560 --> 01:48:59,050
with it you know that so it's it's

2623
01:49:03,209 --> 01:49:01,570
really a movie maker makes pictures on

2624
01:49:04,530 --> 01:49:03,219
whatever topic they're interested at the

2625
01:49:06,720 --> 01:49:04,540
time I don't I don't believe you should

2626
01:49:08,850 --> 01:49:06,730
ever really repeat yourself now let's go

2627
01:49:10,950 --> 01:49:08,860
back to your earlier life here is there

2628
01:49:12,419 --> 01:49:10,960
any reason that you were drawn to the

2629
01:49:13,830 --> 01:49:12,429
paranormal where you're reading about

2630
01:49:16,950 --> 01:49:13,840
this as a child that you have

2631
01:49:20,160 --> 01:49:16,960
experiences yeah a voracious appetite

2632
01:49:24,209 --> 01:49:20,170
for the paranormal as a kid and I still

2633
01:49:26,790 --> 01:49:24,219
do and you know I'm a lot of my pictures

2634
01:49:29,430 --> 01:49:26,800
that are on on deck on waiting to be

2635
01:49:31,049 --> 01:49:29,440
made are are of the same subject matter

2636
01:49:32,430 --> 01:49:31,059
because I'm interested you know I'm

2637
01:49:34,919 --> 01:49:32,440
interested in possibly doing a picture

2638
01:49:36,419 --> 01:49:34,929
on the skinwalker ranch maybe one that

2639
01:49:38,760 --> 01:49:36,429
would approach it in a way that nobody

2640
01:49:40,049 --> 01:49:38,770
has you know yeah I had a voracious

2641
01:49:44,990 --> 01:49:40,059
appetite I actually had my own

2642
01:49:47,490 --> 01:49:45,000
experiences as a child and this I think

2643
01:49:49,890 --> 01:49:47,500
continued and fortified my interest in

2644
01:49:53,160 --> 01:49:49,900
the paranormal and I believe a lot of

2645
01:49:55,020 --> 01:49:53,170
the so-called paranormal is fact and I

2646
01:49:56,399 --> 01:49:55,030
have my own personal beliefs but at the

2647
01:49:57,810 --> 01:49:56,409
same time when you're when you're making

2648
01:50:00,300 --> 01:49:57,820
a documentary unless it's

2649
01:50:03,089 --> 01:50:00,310
particularly on the subject of my own

2650
01:50:05,580 --> 01:50:03,099
personal beliefs I think it's smart not

2651
01:50:07,470 --> 01:50:05,590
to shove all of those personal beliefs

2652
01:50:09,479 --> 01:50:07,480
into the picture and I didn't do that

2653
01:50:12,060 --> 01:50:09,489
with Montauk chronicles or at least try

2654
01:50:13,439 --> 01:50:12,070
not to okay you mentioned personal

2655
01:50:14,760 --> 01:50:13,449
experiences when you were young which a

2656
01:50:17,069 --> 01:50:14,770
lot of people have and that's what draws

2657
01:50:18,180 --> 01:50:17,079
them into these crazy subjects can you

2658
01:50:20,790 --> 01:50:18,190
tell us some of the more notable

2659
01:50:22,830 --> 01:50:20,800
experiences how young were you when they

2660
01:50:24,629 --> 01:50:22,840
started happening well I was a very

2661
01:50:27,390 --> 01:50:24,639
young kid I think I had a you know I

2662
01:50:30,180 --> 01:50:27,400
still do have a very wild imagination as

2663
01:50:32,069 --> 01:50:30,190
a child and I recall running around the

2664
01:50:34,350 --> 01:50:32,079
neighborhood telling everyone that I saw

2665
01:50:36,689 --> 01:50:34,360
a spaceship land in the backyard and

2666
01:50:38,910 --> 01:50:36,699
this is like an infamous story that I'm

2667
01:50:41,490 --> 01:50:38,920
always haunted by and relatives and

2668
01:50:43,290 --> 01:50:41,500
neighbors tell me that you told me of

2669
01:50:45,839 --> 01:50:43,300
this space woman that came out of a ship

2670
01:50:47,310 --> 01:50:45,849
and so I would tell that I you know I

2671
01:50:49,080 --> 01:50:47,320
tell everybody that I saw things like

2672
01:50:51,899 --> 01:50:49,090
that but later on I had a really

2673
01:50:54,450 --> 01:50:51,909
profound experience would you make up

2674
01:50:56,490 --> 01:50:54,460
these earlier stories or what I can't

2675
01:50:58,439 --> 01:50:56,500
tell you I was too young but the later

2676
01:51:02,970 --> 01:50:58,449
one I did not the one I'm about to tell

2677
01:51:07,680 --> 01:51:02,980
you I was about 12 years old and it was

2678
01:51:10,979 --> 01:51:07,690
late one night and I was awakened by the

2679
01:51:13,290 --> 01:51:10,989
sound of a voice so it was and again

2680
01:51:16,350 --> 01:51:13,300
this only happened twice in my entire

2681
01:51:18,839 --> 01:51:16,360
life two separate times of course none

2682
01:51:20,189 --> 01:51:18,849
under the influence of any drugs and if

2683
01:51:22,890 --> 01:51:20,199
I was crazy it would have happened a lot

2684
01:51:25,950 --> 01:51:22,900
more so this happened it was very

2685
01:51:28,800 --> 01:51:25,960
audible very loud and I was awakened by

2686
01:51:31,290 --> 01:51:28,810
this thing and it was almost like an

2687
01:51:35,310 --> 01:51:31,300
incoherent series of gibberish

2688
01:51:36,300 --> 01:51:35,320
articulated by a female voice late in

2689
01:51:38,459 --> 01:51:36,310
the middle of the night

2690
01:51:40,919 --> 01:51:38,469
I'm not saying exactly what it was it

2691
01:51:43,319 --> 01:51:40,929
sustained for hours and it the first

2692
01:51:45,410 --> 01:51:43,329
time I was so disturbed that eventually

2693
01:51:47,819 --> 01:51:45,420
I got up and trying to locate the source

2694
01:51:51,120 --> 01:51:47,829
couldn't find it everybody in the home

2695
01:51:53,129 --> 01:51:51,130
was asleep and I walked downstairs and I

2696
01:51:54,990 --> 01:51:53,139
walked around and I considered

2697
01:51:56,819 --> 01:51:55,000
everything even as a young kid I was

2698
01:51:59,790 --> 01:51:56,829
trying to logically explain what am i

2699
01:52:02,010 --> 01:51:59,800
hearing right now and so I just stayed

2700
01:52:05,580 --> 01:52:02,020
awake frightened and listened to this

2701
01:52:08,010 --> 01:52:05,590
thing and then one more time it happened

2702
01:52:10,560 --> 01:52:08,020
I believe one or two days later once

2703
01:52:11,580 --> 01:52:10,570
again and again I tried to listen and

2704
01:52:13,320 --> 01:52:11,590
trying to really

2705
01:52:15,300 --> 01:52:13,330
make out what was being said and it

2706
01:52:18,120 --> 01:52:15,310
didn't seem to be coming from any

2707
01:52:21,090 --> 01:52:18,130
particular language you know foreign to

2708
01:52:22,470 --> 01:52:21,100
me at the time it was gibberish and it

2709
01:52:26,880 --> 01:52:22,480
was definitely being articulated by a

2710
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:26,890
female voice so the voice was loud it

2711
01:52:33,480 --> 01:52:30,010
was very clear and I was very awake I

2712
01:52:37,170 --> 01:52:33,490
heard this two nights consecutive nights

2713
01:52:42,780 --> 01:52:37,180
and the second night the last night that

2714
01:52:47,670 --> 01:52:42,790
I heard this very clear and loud female

2715
01:52:49,680 --> 01:52:47,680
whispering I wished it away I just hoped

2716
01:52:51,870 --> 01:52:49,690
to have not hear it any more because it

2717
01:52:55,650 --> 01:52:51,880
was frightening me you know I was also a

2718
01:52:59,250 --> 01:52:55,660
kid who was immersed in a lot of you

2719
01:53:02,640 --> 01:52:59,260
know fantasy horror subject matter books

2720
01:53:05,520 --> 01:53:02,650
movies and to now be confronted by

2721
01:53:08,940 --> 01:53:05,530
something that was very real frighten

2722
01:53:10,980 --> 01:53:08,950
the hell out of me so I had never heard

2723
01:53:13,620 --> 01:53:10,990
it again but from that day on and I

2724
01:53:15,840 --> 01:53:13,630
literally feel you know my hair my arms

2725
01:53:18,000 --> 01:53:15,850
standing up right now because it it was

2726
01:53:18,720 --> 01:53:18,010
so profound and so real and I'll never

2727
01:53:21,870 --> 01:53:18,730
forget it

2728
01:53:25,770 --> 01:53:21,880
that I think my mind has been open as an

2729
01:53:28,770 --> 01:53:25,780
adult to all possibilities because I

2730
01:53:30,210 --> 01:53:28,780
cannot explain where this sound was

2731
01:53:31,920 --> 01:53:30,220
coming from and I've had a lot of

2732
01:53:36,260 --> 01:53:31,930
theories as to what it could have been

2733
01:53:38,760 --> 01:53:36,270
but you know it's just completely

2734
01:53:41,430 --> 01:53:38,770
indefinable I cannot tell you what it

2735
01:53:45,660 --> 01:53:41,440
was any other experiences you'd like to

2736
01:53:49,140 --> 01:53:45,670
mention yeah I mean you know I was very

2737
01:53:54,350 --> 01:53:49,150
close with my grandmother and after she

2738
01:53:57,960 --> 01:53:54,360
passed away I was thinking of her and

2739
01:54:00,900 --> 01:53:57,970
again audibly I heard her voice for a

2740
01:54:04,260 --> 01:54:00,910
moment and you know this could be a

2741
01:54:07,020 --> 01:54:04,270
release of chemicals in the body could

2742
01:54:09,330 --> 01:54:07,030
be something that you want to happen but

2743
01:54:12,540 --> 01:54:09,340
it was very different than the voice I

2744
01:54:15,060 --> 01:54:12,550
heard when I was 12 because it wasn't a

2745
01:54:17,190 --> 01:54:15,070
relative it was out of the blue it was

2746
01:54:18,990 --> 01:54:17,200
unexpected I wasn't hoping for something

2747
01:54:20,600 --> 01:54:19,000
like that I wasn't it just occurred to

2748
01:54:24,450 --> 01:54:20,610
me out of blue and actually woke me up

2749
01:54:25,709 --> 01:54:24,460
so I've had some similar things to what

2750
01:54:27,600 --> 01:54:25,719
I just told you regarding my

2751
01:54:29,939 --> 01:54:27,610
grandmother here and there but you know

2752
01:54:33,600 --> 01:54:29,949
it's just not on a daily basis and their

2753
01:54:35,399 --> 01:54:33,610
years between the experiences you know

2754
01:54:37,649 --> 01:54:35,409
my home growing up as a kid you know the

2755
01:54:40,200 --> 01:54:37,659
foundation was over a hundred years old

2756
01:54:41,819 --> 01:54:40,210
so there may have been energies there I

2757
01:54:44,700 --> 01:54:41,829
don't know what depending on what you

2758
01:54:47,879 --> 01:54:44,710
believe in but it's these experiences

2759
01:54:49,500 --> 01:54:47,889
that have allowed me to have an open

2760
01:54:52,469 --> 01:54:49,510
mind to the subject matter that I'm

2761
01:54:54,330 --> 01:54:52,479
covering now in my movies certain little

2762
01:54:58,290 --> 01:54:54,340
edge in that direction let's return to

2763
01:55:00,509 --> 01:54:58,300
Montauk Point okay now in situations

2764
01:55:03,060 --> 01:55:00,519
where we're exploring something that

2765
01:55:05,370 --> 01:55:03,070
happened years ago use the memories of

2766
01:55:07,469 --> 01:55:05,380
people who are allegedly involved what

2767
01:55:09,089 --> 01:55:07,479
about the residents of and we mentioned

2768
01:55:11,879 --> 01:55:09,099
this briefly before we maybe get into

2769
01:55:15,180 --> 01:55:11,889
more detail the residents of Montauk now

2770
01:55:18,689 --> 01:55:15,190
when you comes to like Roswell New

2771
01:55:21,180 --> 01:55:18,699
Mexico small-town people talk and a lot

2772
01:55:23,700 --> 01:55:21,190
of people who had memories as they were

2773
01:55:26,489 --> 01:55:23,710
approached by investigators later now

2774
01:55:28,469 --> 01:55:26,499
something like this though you didn't

2775
01:55:30,870 --> 01:55:28,479
see a lot of sources of information

2776
01:55:32,160 --> 01:55:30,880
locally people didn't even have much

2777
01:55:35,040 --> 01:55:32,170
knowledge about it is what you were

2778
01:55:38,459 --> 01:55:35,050
telling us before right I spent a number

2779
01:55:41,759 --> 01:55:38,469
of weeks interviewing locals a lot of it

2780
01:55:43,319 --> 01:55:41,769
is kind of local pride so you you always

2781
01:55:45,719 --> 01:55:43,329
have to watch out for that like I was

2782
01:55:48,870 --> 01:55:45,729
out in Amityville New York where the

2783
01:55:51,540 --> 01:55:48,880
Amityville Horror house is if anyone's

2784
01:55:54,359 --> 01:55:51,550
familiar with 112 Ocean Avenue which is

2785
01:55:56,189 --> 01:55:54,369
the location of the Amityville haunt the

2786
01:55:59,790 --> 01:55:56,199
infamous haunted house or allegedly

2787
01:56:01,919 --> 01:55:59,800
haunted house the locals are very angry

2788
01:56:05,250 --> 01:56:01,929
and they want to literally beat anybody

2789
01:56:07,469 --> 01:56:05,260
up who's approaching the house so in

2790
01:56:09,689 --> 01:56:07,479
Montauk I'm not saying I experienced

2791
01:56:12,330 --> 01:56:09,699
something similar to that on a very tame

2792
01:56:16,319 --> 01:56:12,340
level I think people have a pride and

2793
01:56:18,660 --> 01:56:16,329
when Outsiders from Montauk are there

2794
01:56:20,879 --> 01:56:18,670
talking about aliens when these people

2795
01:56:23,489 --> 01:56:20,889
just want to run their businesses and

2796
01:56:25,350 --> 01:56:23,499
keep the resort's going maybe not even

2797
01:56:27,299 --> 01:56:25,360
realize how lucrative the situation

2798
01:56:29,310 --> 01:56:27,309
could be for them they get angry and

2799
01:56:31,020 --> 01:56:29,320
they'll deny the stuff right away but

2800
01:56:32,879 --> 01:56:31,030
then you'll hear contradictions like

2801
01:56:35,009 --> 01:56:32,889
some local fishermen or some local

2802
01:56:36,690 --> 01:56:35,019
people have had these experiences and

2803
01:56:38,550 --> 01:56:36,700
told me personally

2804
01:56:40,170 --> 01:56:38,560
off the record a lot of them because

2805
01:56:42,890 --> 01:56:40,180
they didn't want to speak on camera for

2806
01:56:45,900 --> 01:56:42,900
whatever reason but some of them did and

2807
01:56:47,790 --> 01:56:45,910
it's just when you're trying to fit

2808
01:56:49,560 --> 01:56:47,800
everything into a two-hour period in a

2809
01:56:51,390 --> 01:56:49,570
picture I didn't want to just keep

2810
01:56:54,000 --> 01:56:51,400
cutting away to locals and some of their

2811
01:56:57,060 --> 01:56:54,010
stories weren't that great you know so

2812
01:57:00,570 --> 01:56:57,070
there were very few that really that

2813
01:57:01,920 --> 01:57:00,580
we're aligned with this tale and I just

2814
01:57:04,710 --> 01:57:01,930
think a lot of the time when you're

2815
01:57:06,120 --> 01:57:04,720
approaching a town there is that local

2816
01:57:07,350 --> 01:57:06,130
pride that keeps them from really

2817
01:57:09,360 --> 01:57:07,360
telling the truth

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01:57:12,570 --> 01:57:09,370
we're trying to figure out what happened

2819
01:57:14,940 --> 01:57:12,580
what about the Montauk chronicles was

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01:57:17,070 --> 01:57:14,950
that really a Montauk Project we've got

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more to come and we're talking to

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01:57:21,150 --> 01:57:19,240
Christopher Garrett on oh they producer

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01:57:23,190 --> 01:57:21,160
director writer of Montauk chronicles

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2936
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exploring Montauk New York now I did a

2937
02:02:11,390 --> 02:02:08,160
little investigation about Montauk the

2938
02:02:13,370 --> 02:02:11,400
hamlet of Montauk is like population of

2939
02:02:15,680 --> 02:02:13,380
thirty three hundred people it's even

2940
02:02:18,530 --> 02:02:15,690
smaller than Roswell New Mexico talk

2941
02:02:20,960 --> 02:02:18,540
about a small town yes it is very small

2942
02:02:22,820 --> 02:02:20,970
and it's it's isolated and over the

2943
02:02:25,460 --> 02:02:22,830
years that maybe the population grew a

2944
02:02:29,390 --> 02:02:25,470
little bit but especially during the

2945
02:02:30,950 --> 02:02:29,400
time of the alleged Montauk Project you

2946
02:02:35,300 --> 02:02:30,960
know especially in the winter and fall

2947
02:02:38,120 --> 02:02:35,310
months where there was no no summer play

2948
02:02:39,830 --> 02:02:38,130
going on there was nobody there was like

2949
02:02:41,390 --> 02:02:39,840
a ghost town even if you go out in the

2950
02:02:44,720 --> 02:02:41,400
winter now which a good deal of my

2951
02:02:46,610 --> 02:02:44,730
picture was shot in the winter you know

2952
02:02:49,880 --> 02:02:46,620
I was at two o'clock in the morning at

2953
02:02:53,050 --> 02:02:49,890
the tower itself in the dark in the

2954
02:02:55,610 --> 02:02:53,060
freezing cold snow on the ground alone

2955
02:02:57,910 --> 02:02:55,620
shooting astro time-lapse is one of

2956
02:03:01,070 --> 02:02:57,920
which you'll see in the in the movie and

2957
02:03:03,950 --> 02:03:01,080
you know it has an eerie atmosphere

2958
02:03:06,560 --> 02:03:03,960
about it I did see something there the

2959
02:03:08,300 --> 02:03:06,570
one night and again I wasn't gonna run

2960
02:03:09,980 --> 02:03:08,310
with these things because I can't I

2961
02:03:12,050 --> 02:03:09,990
couldn't get enough information as to

2962
02:03:15,110 --> 02:03:12,060
what it may have been or what it wasn't

2963
02:03:16,850 --> 02:03:15,120
and I hate it on television shows when

2964
02:03:18,500 --> 02:03:16,860
they'll take something very small and

2965
02:03:21,050 --> 02:03:18,510
try and amplify it and use it as this

2966
02:03:23,180 --> 02:03:21,060
great piece of evidence but when I was

2967
02:03:26,540 --> 02:03:23,190
shooting in astro time-lapse near the

2968
02:03:31,580 --> 02:03:26,550
main stage radar tower there was a green

2969
02:03:33,800 --> 02:03:31,590
light and I had no reason to believe it

2970
02:03:35,870 --> 02:03:33,810
was coming from a ship offshore or

2971
02:03:38,540 --> 02:03:35,880
anywhere it was literally at the base of

2972
02:03:41,420 --> 02:03:38,550
the tower and when I approached it to

2973
02:03:43,760 --> 02:03:41,430
find out what it was there was nothing

2974
02:03:45,050 --> 02:03:43,770
there and again this is a derelict Air

2975
02:03:47,210 --> 02:03:45,060
Force Base there should be no

2976
02:03:49,090 --> 02:03:47,220
illumination whatsoever near the base of

2977
02:03:52,790 --> 02:03:49,100
the tower but there was in this case and

2978
02:03:55,070 --> 02:03:52,800
then it was gone and I have no footage

2979
02:03:57,740 --> 02:03:55,080
of course cuz my camera my one camera

2980
02:03:59,480 --> 02:03:57,750
was being set as an astro time-lapse so

2981
02:04:01,640 --> 02:03:59,490
I could have put this in the movie and

2982
02:04:04,280 --> 02:04:01,650
talked about it and you know blew it up

2983
02:04:05,750 --> 02:04:04,290
and sensationalized it but I did so you

2984
02:04:06,980 --> 02:04:05,760
know I don't know what that was it could

2985
02:04:08,330 --> 02:04:06,990
have been something who knows it could

2986
02:04:09,470 --> 02:04:08,340
have been someone out there in the

2987
02:04:11,870 --> 02:04:09,480
middle of the night with a green light

2988
02:04:13,040 --> 02:04:11,880
but if you know the area and you've ever

2989
02:04:15,470 --> 02:04:13,050
been there in the winter it's very

2990
02:04:17,390 --> 02:04:15,480
unlikely that anybody was out there at

2991
02:04:21,020 --> 02:04:17,400
that time now the place you want to hang

2992
02:04:22,610 --> 02:04:21,030
out in in the winter no oh not at all it

2993
02:04:25,010 --> 02:04:22,620
reminds me of some of the small towns I

2994
02:04:27,980 --> 02:04:25,020
used to know back in the deep south

2995
02:04:32,120 --> 02:04:27,990
where you have like a center shopping

2996
02:04:33,200 --> 02:04:32,130
area consisting of one Street maybe a

2997
02:04:35,900 --> 02:04:33,210
few stores

2998
02:04:38,420 --> 02:04:35,910
is there even a shopping center in

2999
02:04:41,720 --> 02:04:38,430
Montauk well you know a few years ago

3000
02:04:44,210 --> 02:04:41,730
there there wasn't really you know

3001
02:04:47,180 --> 02:04:44,220
there's a shopping center there in terms

3002
02:04:49,490 --> 02:04:47,190
of a grocery store and very recently

3003
02:04:52,310 --> 02:04:49,500
over the last few years a 7-eleven came

3004
02:04:55,610 --> 02:04:52,320
into town Wow a 7-eleven you can do all

3005
02:04:57,680 --> 02:04:55,620
your shopping there 24 hours but there

3006
02:04:59,660 --> 02:04:57,690
was nothing that was open 24 hours in

3007
02:05:00,950 --> 02:04:59,670
the past you know especially in a good

3008
02:05:01,390 --> 02:05:00,960
deal of the amount of years that I was

3009
02:05:03,890 --> 02:05:01,400
making

3010
02:05:05,570 --> 02:05:03,900
Montauk chronicles you know there was

3011
02:05:07,790 --> 02:05:05,580
nowhere to go once you were there you'd

3012
02:05:09,170 --> 02:05:07,800
have to drive 40 minutes to anything

3013
02:05:12,890 --> 02:05:09,180
that was open in the middle of the night

3014
02:05:14,690 --> 02:05:12,900
so but again the population has grown

3015
02:05:16,310 --> 02:05:14,700
over the years and people do stay out

3016
02:05:19,730 --> 02:05:16,320
there in the winter time I guess just to

3017
02:05:22,010 --> 02:05:19,740
get away or be alone or whatever but

3018
02:05:23,510 --> 02:05:22,020
it's still very minimal there's a

3019
02:05:25,220 --> 02:05:23,520
minimal amount of people especially in

3020
02:05:27,590 --> 02:05:25,230
the dead of winter there was not many

3021
02:05:30,410 --> 02:05:27,600
people here so it's an ideal place to

3022
02:05:33,260 --> 02:05:30,420
have things go on that will not draw

3023
02:05:35,690 --> 02:05:33,270
attention by the public I think that was

3024
02:05:38,390 --> 02:05:35,700
the idea for the air force base you know

3025
02:05:42,140 --> 02:05:38,400
it was a great location part of one

3026
02:05:44,120 --> 02:05:42,150
theory that I have is that as the town

3027
02:05:47,060 --> 02:05:44,130
became more popular over the years and

3028
02:05:49,010 --> 02:05:47,070
the population grew I think a good

3029
02:05:51,080 --> 02:05:49,020
reason why the facility shut down is

3030
02:05:53,330 --> 02:05:51,090
because they couldn't you know they

3031
02:05:54,950 --> 02:05:53,340
couldn't dismiss all of the people that

3032
02:05:57,020 --> 02:05:54,960
were everywhere and it couldn't be so

3033
02:05:57,560 --> 02:05:57,030
covert anymore and maybe that's why they

3034
02:06:00,350 --> 02:05:57,570
shut it down

3035
02:06:02,360 --> 02:06:00,360
and regard to Alfred Bielek he claims

3036
02:06:04,420 --> 02:06:02,370
that the people who were topside the men

3037
02:06:06,080 --> 02:06:04,430
involved in the air force operation

3038
02:06:07,790 --> 02:06:06,090
didn't know about

3039
02:06:10,010 --> 02:06:07,800
the operation going on underneath the

3040
02:06:12,740 --> 02:06:10,020
ground Preston had a slightly different

3041
02:06:16,400 --> 02:06:12,750
story some of the people knew some

3042
02:06:20,210 --> 02:06:16,410
didn't but al claims that he would take

3043
02:06:22,370 --> 02:06:20,220
a real a railway you know the Leviton

3044
02:06:25,610 --> 02:06:22,380
train as he calls it from Brookhaven

3045
02:06:28,310 --> 02:06:25,620
labs to camp hero underneath the ground

3046
02:06:32,000 --> 02:06:28,320
so there was no entry way topside

3047
02:06:33,500 --> 02:06:32,010
but then again the story of Al Preston

3048
02:06:35,420 --> 02:06:33,510
and Duncan crashing the project

3049
02:06:37,880 --> 02:06:35,430
contradicts that slice slightly because

3050
02:06:41,090 --> 02:06:37,890
they said they all met in the memory

3051
02:06:43,130 --> 02:06:41,100
motel had a meeting and then went back

3052
02:06:44,270 --> 02:06:43,140
to the facility to crash it which I

3053
02:06:47,030 --> 02:06:44,280
always thought was kind of strange

3054
02:06:49,880 --> 02:06:47,040
because if you're in this extremely

3055
02:06:52,160 --> 02:06:49,890
covert operation who's gonna give you an

3056
02:06:54,680 --> 02:06:52,170
opportunity to go topside hang out in a

3057
02:06:56,570 --> 02:06:54,690
motel hang out amongst yourselves I mean

3058
02:06:58,070 --> 02:06:56,580
you should be under full security at

3059
02:07:00,410 --> 02:06:58,080
this point because you're here this is

3060
02:07:02,930 --> 02:07:00,420
the most top-secret clearance that we

3061
02:07:03,950 --> 02:07:02,940
could speak of get to the memory motel

3062
02:07:05,900 --> 02:07:03,960
and then get back over to the

3063
02:07:07,700 --> 02:07:05,910
underground secret lab to crash the

3064
02:07:08,990 --> 02:07:07,710
project I always thought that was kind

3065
02:07:11,330 --> 02:07:09,000
of silly and that's why I feel that

3066
02:07:13,520 --> 02:07:11,340
story may have been an employment you

3067
02:07:15,290 --> 02:07:13,530
know an implanted memory why would you

3068
02:07:17,480 --> 02:07:15,300
think it's implanted well because it

3069
02:07:19,970 --> 02:07:17,490
just doesn't make any sense

3070
02:07:21,980 --> 02:07:19,980
this is a this is a an operation that

3071
02:07:25,400 --> 02:07:21,990
was murdering people by the thousands

3072
02:07:28,790 --> 02:07:25,410
this was you would require the highest

3073
02:07:31,430 --> 02:07:28,800
clearance in terms of top secret why

3074
02:07:33,440 --> 02:07:31,440
would they allow three workers who were

3075
02:07:37,130 --> 02:07:33,450
kind of being controlled by them anyway

3076
02:07:39,500 --> 02:07:37,140
to leave even for a sandwich together

3077
02:07:41,600 --> 02:07:39,510
and then come back to the base it does

3078
02:07:42,140 --> 02:07:41,610
this to me it just doesn't make any

3079
02:07:44,270 --> 02:07:42,150
sense

3080
02:07:47,480 --> 02:07:44,280
they go to the base cafeteria perhaps

3081
02:07:49,820 --> 02:07:47,490
yeah the base cafeteria or leave under

3082
02:07:52,220 --> 02:07:49,830
supervision if you're going to leave or

3083
02:07:54,320 --> 02:07:52,230
not leave four months at a time but it

3084
02:07:56,570 --> 02:07:54,330
doesn't make any sense that at the

3085
02:07:58,580 --> 02:07:56,580
height of this project where things are

3086
02:08:01,580 --> 02:07:58,590
about to explode and they were about to

3087
02:08:04,010 --> 02:08:01,590
take over the world so to speak why on

3088
02:08:05,720 --> 02:08:04,020
earth would they allow these men under

3089
02:08:08,240 --> 02:08:05,730
no supervision to go and have a

3090
02:08:10,100 --> 02:08:08,250
conversation at a local motel about

3091
02:08:12,920 --> 02:08:10,110
crashing the project and then come back

3092
02:08:14,570 --> 02:08:12,930
and destroy the project it hey maybe I'm

3093
02:08:16,970 --> 02:08:14,580
wrong but I just felt that that was a

3094
02:08:18,650 --> 02:08:16,980
little strange because of the technology

3095
02:08:19,819 --> 02:08:18,660
and because of the classified

3096
02:08:21,680 --> 02:08:19,829
information

3097
02:08:23,510 --> 02:08:21,690
why would they allow these men to just

3098
02:08:25,069 --> 02:08:23,520
walk away I would assume if they were

3099
02:08:27,350 --> 02:08:25,079
allowed to walk they would be under

3100
02:08:30,200 --> 02:08:27,360
supervision correct that's what I was

3101
02:08:32,089 --> 02:08:30,210
assuming but no I could be wrong okay

3102
02:08:33,979 --> 02:08:32,099
now earlier in the show you were talking

3103
02:08:35,720 --> 02:08:33,989
about the alleged kidnapping of

3104
02:08:37,939 --> 02:08:35,730
thousands of children around the United

3105
02:08:40,760 --> 02:08:37,949
States were these children in foster

3106
02:08:42,410 --> 02:08:40,770
homes homeless children that they have a

3107
02:08:44,930 --> 02:08:42,420
particular target in mind

3108
02:08:48,049 --> 02:08:44,940
what yeah all three a lot of the

3109
02:08:50,720 --> 02:08:48,059
children because they were undesirables

3110
02:08:52,879 --> 02:08:50,730
and quote/unquote wouldn't be missed

3111
02:08:54,640 --> 02:08:52,889
were being used in the experiments

3112
02:08:58,069 --> 02:08:54,650
because in the beginning because it was

3113
02:09:00,770 --> 02:08:58,079
free-range go out kidnap some runaway

3114
02:09:02,780 --> 02:09:00,780
kids who were already forgotten and used

3115
02:09:04,459 --> 02:09:02,790
them and they experiment no one's going

3116
02:09:07,549 --> 02:09:04,469
to miss them no one's gonna kick up a

3117
02:09:09,169 --> 02:09:07,559
fuss and that kind of makes some sense

3118
02:09:10,879 --> 02:09:09,179
because if you think if you would have

3119
02:09:12,649 --> 02:09:10,889
believed this happened remember the

3120
02:09:15,560 --> 02:09:12,659
Tuskegee experiments you know they

3121
02:09:18,379 --> 02:09:15,570
experimented on at the time minority

3122
02:09:20,720 --> 02:09:18,389
groups who in this disgusting way of

3123
02:09:22,370 --> 02:09:20,730
thinking that wouldn't care or wouldn't

3124
02:09:25,040 --> 02:09:22,380
notice that we were taking advantage of

3125
02:09:27,709 --> 02:09:25,050
them and injecting syphilis into their

3126
02:09:29,990 --> 02:09:27,719
bodies unbeknownst to them under false

3127
02:09:32,540 --> 02:09:30,000
pretenses this really happened folks our

3128
02:09:35,000 --> 02:09:32,550
government did this and MKULTRA you know

3129
02:09:37,310 --> 02:09:35,010
taking children this is why I focused on

3130
02:09:39,319 --> 02:09:37,320
the Montag boys program and that this

3131
02:09:41,450 --> 02:09:39,329
was the natural behavior of the

3132
02:09:42,859 --> 02:09:41,460
government to do stuff like this or part

3133
02:09:44,959 --> 02:09:42,869
or factions of the government to do

3134
02:09:47,030 --> 02:09:44,969
stuff like this was that of course it

3135
02:09:49,310 --> 02:09:47,040
possibly reoccurred at Montauk

3136
02:09:51,049 --> 02:09:49,320
they were kidnapping runaway kids there

3137
02:09:53,000 --> 02:09:51,059
were a lot of them in that time period

3138
02:09:56,419 --> 02:09:53,010
and bringing them down to camp hero

3139
02:09:59,899 --> 02:09:56,429
another type that was being sought out

3140
02:10:02,750 --> 02:09:59,909
was a particular DNA as Stewart Swerdlow

3141
02:10:05,240 --> 02:10:02,760
had explained and in his case he had a

3142
02:10:07,609 --> 02:10:05,250
very particular DNA structure that they

3143
02:10:09,080 --> 02:10:07,619
were looking for so they chose him all

3144
02:10:10,490 --> 02:10:09,090
right there's a contradiction there I'm

3145
02:10:12,919 --> 02:10:10,500
gonna ask you about I think it's really

3146
02:10:16,129 --> 02:10:12,929
obvious we'll get to it the film is the

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Montauk Chronicles Christopher Garrett

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on Oh is the director writer producer

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we is Greg Cameron from presidential UFO

3257
02:14:57,880 --> 02:14:50,090
calm you're listening to the Peres cast

3258
02:15:00,190 --> 02:14:57,890
the gold standard of paranormal radio so

3259
02:15:03,490 --> 02:15:00,200
Christopher Garrett on oh I have a

3260
02:15:05,680 --> 02:15:03,500
contradiction to voice here so they're

3261
02:15:07,180 --> 02:15:05,690
seeking people with a specific DNA but

3262
02:15:10,270 --> 02:15:07,190
we're talking about stuff happening

3263
02:15:12,190 --> 02:15:10,280
while in the 60s and 70s the base was

3264
02:15:14,320 --> 02:15:12,200
closed in 1982 we'll get into more of

3265
02:15:18,550 --> 02:15:14,330
that in a moment that was before we were

3266
02:15:21,400 --> 02:15:18,560
doing DNA testing wasn't it well before

3267
02:15:23,290 --> 02:15:21,410
it was publicly announced in regard to

3268
02:15:25,240 --> 02:15:23,300
the information that you and I have

3269
02:15:27,340 --> 02:15:25,250
absorbed since it was a since it was

3270
02:15:30,100 --> 02:15:27,350
announced but as we know I mean

3271
02:15:31,420 --> 02:15:30,110
technologies and chemistry and all sorts

3272
02:15:33,610 --> 02:15:31,430
of things are being developed years

3273
02:15:35,890 --> 02:15:33,620
before we hear about them I don't think

3274
02:15:38,200 --> 02:15:35,900
we're hearing about them on a proper

3275
02:15:40,510 --> 02:15:38,210
timeline and I think we hear about it

3276
02:15:43,660 --> 02:15:40,520
later so and if that's true that's the

3277
02:15:46,600 --> 02:15:43,670
case here so how early can we trace DNA

3278
02:15:49,480 --> 02:15:46,610
testing you know I'm I'm not exactly

3279
02:15:52,180 --> 02:15:49,490
sure to tell you the truth but at the

3280
02:15:54,640 --> 02:15:52,190
same time you know publicly maybe it was

3281
02:15:57,730 --> 02:15:54,650
announced after what these men were

3282
02:15:59,890 --> 02:15:57,740
claiming but I just feel that you know

3283
02:16:02,830 --> 02:15:59,900
listen this this information is coming

3284
02:16:05,920 --> 02:16:02,840
from the people that I interviewed and

3285
02:16:07,960 --> 02:16:05,930
is never meant to be put out as fact I

3286
02:16:10,540 --> 02:16:07,970
don't put this out as fact and I in fact

3287
02:16:12,700 --> 02:16:10,550
I say the offices in the film but from

3288
02:16:15,370 --> 02:16:12,710
what I've learned and what I'm sure you

3289
02:16:16,720 --> 02:16:15,380
know is that you know in regard to the

3290
02:16:18,730 --> 02:16:16,730
question that you're asking and the

3291
02:16:21,490 --> 02:16:18,740
contradiction of the contradiction that

3292
02:16:23,860 --> 02:16:21,500
you're noting at the moment you know I

3293
02:16:26,650 --> 02:16:23,870
think there a variety of multitude of

3294
02:16:29,350 --> 02:16:26,660
cases where we have technologies and

3295
02:16:31,210 --> 02:16:29,360
developments and chemistry and medical

3296
02:16:33,160 --> 02:16:31,220
technology that we don't hear about

3297
02:16:35,500 --> 02:16:33,170
until much later and especially in the

3298
02:16:37,600 --> 02:16:35,510
case of the age regression where this

3299
02:16:39,190 --> 02:16:37,610
Harvard Mouse or so on and so forth

3300
02:16:40,870 --> 02:16:39,200
I just feel

3301
02:16:43,390 --> 02:16:40,880
like I mean it's up to you what you want

3302
02:16:45,250 --> 02:16:43,400
to believe but I think we have a history

3303
02:16:46,720 --> 02:16:45,260
of things that were developed way before

3304
02:16:49,570 --> 02:16:46,730
the public was allowed to know about

3305
02:16:53,470 --> 02:16:49,580
them officially DNA testing began

3306
02:16:55,959 --> 02:16:53,480
according to Time magazine in 1985 that

3307
02:16:57,970 --> 02:16:55,969
doesn't mean they weren't experimenting

3308
02:17:00,070 --> 02:16:57,980
with it before then but that's what it

3309
02:17:01,720 --> 02:17:00,080
says when you look up the record it's

3310
02:17:04,630 --> 02:17:01,730
funny that our prophets of science

3311
02:17:07,240 --> 02:17:04,640
fiction you say 1985 our prophets of

3312
02:17:09,760 --> 02:17:07,250
science fiction were writing about DNA

3313
02:17:13,600 --> 02:17:09,770
you know the early parts of the 20th

3314
02:17:16,180 --> 02:17:13,610
century so who knows you know HG Wells

3315
02:17:17,770 --> 02:17:16,190
island of dr. Moreau so on and so forth

3316
02:17:19,720 --> 02:17:17,780
I mean these things were discussed four

3317
02:17:21,940 --> 02:17:19,730
years beforehand someone had to have

3318
02:17:24,970 --> 02:17:21,950
imagined this or knew about this

3319
02:17:26,860 --> 02:17:24,980
information and I'm sure Time magazine

3320
02:17:29,709 --> 02:17:26,870
didn't put it out on the day that this

3321
02:17:32,590 --> 02:17:29,719
experiments were thought of and started

3322
02:17:35,170 --> 02:17:32,600
I'm not supporting the fact in this I'm

3323
02:17:37,570 --> 02:17:35,180
just saying that I I know for a fact I'm

3324
02:17:39,400 --> 02:17:37,580
not supporting the fact that the Montauk

3325
02:17:41,290 --> 02:17:39,410
Project happened I've been saying that

3326
02:17:44,770 --> 02:17:41,300
since the beginning of the interview but

3327
02:17:47,890 --> 02:17:44,780
I do know for a fact that everything

3328
02:17:50,070 --> 02:17:47,900
that we're told in mass media is not

3329
02:17:55,120 --> 02:17:50,080
accurate now just looking out further

3330
02:17:58,000 --> 02:17:55,130
according to Wikipedia the DNA profiling

3331
02:18:01,660 --> 02:17:58,010
is based on PCR which was developed by

3332
02:18:04,450 --> 02:18:01,670
someone named Kary Mullis in 1983 but I

3333
02:18:06,940 --> 02:18:04,460
grant then other scientists might have

3334
02:18:07,660 --> 02:18:06,950
been working behind the scenes 10 or 20

3335
02:18:09,459 --> 02:18:07,670
years earlier

3336
02:18:11,830 --> 02:18:09,469
I'll just grant that just to be

3337
02:18:13,750 --> 02:18:11,840
respectful of the possibilities yeah I'm

3338
02:18:15,640 --> 02:18:13,760
granting it as well I mean I'm just I

3339
02:18:16,750 --> 02:18:15,650
don't need to defend myself here I'm not

3340
02:18:20,230 --> 02:18:16,760
the person that came out with the

3341
02:18:22,000 --> 02:18:20,240
information I'm just right I'm just

3342
02:18:23,980 --> 02:18:22,010
saying I'm defending the idea that I

3343
02:18:25,690 --> 02:18:23,990
know for a fact that technologies have

3344
02:18:28,200 --> 02:18:25,700
been developed long before they're

3345
02:18:32,380 --> 02:18:28,210
announced on Wikipedia or Time magazine

3346
02:18:34,000 --> 02:18:32,390
okay so the base is closed in 1982 did

3347
02:18:35,830 --> 02:18:34,010
they give a reason for closing it

3348
02:18:37,870 --> 02:18:35,840
military budgets something like that

3349
02:18:41,110 --> 02:18:37,880
yeah well the project fell through

3350
02:18:43,930 --> 02:18:41,120
because of satellite technology rendered

3351
02:18:46,390 --> 02:18:43,940
the sage radar technology obsolete that

3352
02:18:47,950 --> 02:18:46,400
was the public message and that the fact

3353
02:18:52,740 --> 02:18:47,960
that we didn't have to worry about Nazis

3354
02:18:56,890 --> 02:18:52,750
attacking us anymore - no yeah

3355
02:19:00,190 --> 02:18:56,900
so 1982 we realized even though World

3356
02:19:02,410 --> 02:19:00,200
War two ended in 1945 we realize in 1982

3357
02:19:04,030 --> 02:19:02,420
no more Nazis now they got the question

3358
02:19:06,370 --> 02:19:04,040
I would have here this is something we

3359
02:19:08,290 --> 02:19:06,380
can continue to explore as we progress

3360
02:19:11,589 --> 02:19:08,300
if they're doing this sort of

3361
02:19:14,530 --> 02:19:11,599
experimentation at this particular place

3362
02:19:15,520 --> 02:19:14,540
this particular base what about other

3363
02:19:17,620 --> 02:19:15,530
parts of the country

3364
02:19:21,040 --> 02:19:17,630
what about area 51 wright-patterson

3365
02:19:23,530 --> 02:19:21,050
anywhere else no Alfred Beale exclaimed

3366
02:19:25,480 --> 02:19:23,540
again I I am someone who collected

3367
02:19:27,610 --> 02:19:25,490
information from the subjects I'm not

3368
02:19:30,219 --> 02:19:27,620
supporting this as fact and I've made it

3369
02:19:32,679 --> 02:19:30,229
very clear in the film and on this show

3370
02:19:35,259 --> 02:19:32,689
but Alfred Bielek claimed that there

3371
02:19:38,410 --> 02:19:35,269
were bases all over the country and all

3372
02:19:40,330 --> 02:19:38,420
over the world that were very similar to

3373
02:19:42,070 --> 02:19:40,340
the Montauk Project experiments

3374
02:19:44,860 --> 02:19:42,080
especially when it came down to the mind

3375
02:19:47,500 --> 02:19:44,870
control so this is just one example and

3376
02:19:50,560 --> 02:19:47,510
have you considered here having gone

3377
02:19:52,630 --> 02:19:50,570
this far and a lot of work with Montauk

3378
02:19:54,760 --> 02:19:52,640
Project to see what other parts of the

3379
02:19:56,830 --> 02:19:54,770
country have places that may have

3380
02:19:58,810 --> 02:19:56,840
involved bases that engage in similar

3381
02:20:00,760 --> 02:19:58,820
research and what about today because

3382
02:20:05,620 --> 02:20:00,770
the Montauk Project is closed

3383
02:20:07,270 --> 02:20:05,630
what 33 years ago so what's happened in

3384
02:20:10,270 --> 02:20:07,280
the past 33 years for this kind of

3385
02:20:13,690 --> 02:20:10,280
research did they give up on it I don't

3386
02:20:15,790 --> 02:20:13,700
know but what I can assume based on what

3387
02:20:18,940 --> 02:20:15,800
I've observed over the years is that if

3388
02:20:22,150 --> 02:20:18,950
if but at least the mind-control

3389
02:20:24,280 --> 02:20:22,160
portions of the project are true I can

3390
02:20:27,580 --> 02:20:24,290
guarantee it's happening to some degree

3391
02:20:29,500 --> 02:20:27,590
right now and again we have proof of the

3392
02:20:34,090 --> 02:20:29,510
Tuskegee experiments we have proof of

3393
02:20:36,040 --> 02:20:34,100
MKULTRA and alike experiments so my

3394
02:20:38,920 --> 02:20:36,050
question to you sir is why would you or

3395
02:20:41,160 --> 02:20:38,930
why would anyone for that matter put it

3396
02:20:44,620 --> 02:20:41,170
past a government who had done almost

3397
02:20:46,750 --> 02:20:44,630
identical things in the past to do it

3398
02:20:48,670 --> 02:20:46,760
again oh I wouldn't be surprised I think

3399
02:20:50,950 --> 02:20:48,680
today it might be easier to keep that

3400
02:20:54,400 --> 02:20:50,960
information a secret very much so well

3401
02:20:57,550 --> 02:20:54,410
one thing that Preston Nichols said that

3402
02:21:00,090 --> 02:20:57,560
as a derivative of the Montauk Project

3403
02:21:04,990 --> 02:21:00,100
and part of the mind control is

3404
02:21:07,600 --> 02:21:05,000
certainly in mass media regard to tell

3405
02:21:10,240 --> 02:21:07,610
in advertisements the news and that I

3406
02:21:13,480 --> 02:21:10,250
believe is quite true I believe that

3407
02:21:17,530 --> 02:21:13,490
there are notes being given and the news

3408
02:21:20,530 --> 02:21:17,540
is manipulated to you know put ideas in

3409
02:21:23,640 --> 02:21:20,540
the mind of the population if you look

3410
02:21:27,520 --> 02:21:23,650
at the apps and I you cannot deny the

3411
02:21:29,530 --> 02:21:27,530
epidemic of Manchurian types that are

3412
02:21:30,880 --> 02:21:29,540
getting up and blowing people away left

3413
02:21:32,860 --> 02:21:30,890
and right I mean I don't know how many

3414
02:21:35,950 --> 02:21:32,870
we had in the last couple of weeks alone

3415
02:21:37,720 --> 02:21:35,960
but I mean when is it that we're all

3416
02:21:38,590 --> 02:21:37,730
gonna stand up and say that something is

3417
02:21:40,810 --> 02:21:38,600
wrong here

3418
02:21:44,770 --> 02:21:40,820
and I don't think it's just a bunch of

3419
02:21:46,810 --> 02:21:44,780
copycat incidents where people are just

3420
02:21:48,190 --> 02:21:46,820
saying well now I am Spartacus I want to

3421
02:21:50,260 --> 02:21:48,200
go and kill a whole bunch of people I

3422
02:21:51,730 --> 02:21:50,270
don't think it's like that it's it's

3423
02:21:54,580 --> 02:21:51,740
really an epidemic and what I'm

3424
02:22:00,040 --> 02:21:54,590
referring to is the part of the

3425
02:22:03,550 --> 02:22:00,050
mind-control experiment at Camp hero was

3426
02:22:04,330 --> 02:22:03,560
supposed to be developing Manchurian

3427
02:22:06,370 --> 02:22:04,340
Candidate

3428
02:22:09,570 --> 02:22:06,380
type soldiers that would be triggered to

3429
02:22:12,370 --> 02:22:09,580
go and do things like a lot of these

3430
02:22:16,300 --> 02:22:12,380
shooters are doing and it progressively

3431
02:22:18,790 --> 02:22:16,310
in the United States got worse from

3432
02:22:20,860 --> 02:22:18,800
let's say Colin fergenson to the

3433
02:22:22,780 --> 02:22:20,870
Columbine incident to this to that yeah

3434
02:22:24,430 --> 02:22:22,790
they're kids freaking out and saying

3435
02:22:26,140 --> 02:22:24,440
they're isolated but now it's just

3436
02:22:28,060 --> 02:22:26,150
people are walking into movie theaters

3437
02:22:30,070 --> 02:22:28,070
people are walking on to the street

3438
02:22:33,250 --> 02:22:30,080
shooting people I'd say there's

3439
02:22:35,680 --> 02:22:33,260
something up with this because of just

3440
02:22:38,320 --> 02:22:35,690
the frequency and the abundance of it

3441
02:22:40,510 --> 02:22:38,330
it's just a little strange in my opinion

3442
02:22:42,640 --> 02:22:40,520
on top of that you know I stopped

3443
02:22:44,800 --> 02:22:42,650
watching television about two and a half

3444
02:22:47,890 --> 02:22:44,810
years ago just to see what the effect

3445
02:22:50,200 --> 02:22:47,900
would be like it but if I let it go if I

3446
02:22:52,720 --> 02:22:50,210
if it diminished and it did because I

3447
02:22:55,510 --> 02:22:52,730
went back to take a look a couple of

3448
02:22:58,240 --> 02:22:55,520
months ago and it was this blatant

3449
02:23:00,130 --> 02:22:58,250
barrage of suggestion that it was very

3450
02:23:02,980 --> 02:23:00,140
clear to me and wasn't when I was

3451
02:23:05,590 --> 02:23:02,990
watching television or at least the news

3452
02:23:08,170 --> 02:23:05,600
stations constantly it was just seen to

3453
02:23:10,360 --> 02:23:08,180
be normal but it's so stark and so

3454
02:23:12,250 --> 02:23:10,370
blatant when you remove yourself from

3455
02:23:15,220 --> 02:23:12,260
that environment then you go back to it

3456
02:23:19,270 --> 02:23:15,230
you know I think these are all offshoots

3457
02:23:22,960 --> 02:23:19,280
and current implements

3458
02:23:24,880 --> 02:23:22,970
of mine control today for sure so they

3459
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think something like the all new station

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so we're not singling out any particular

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candidate because there might be all of

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them are engaged in some sort of mind

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control I know Chris and I a few weeks

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ago we're talking about subliminal

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perceived consciously but could have

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some impact on you so is that what it's

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all about that this is an overt way to

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brainwash people this is a complicated

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question and I don't he's going to

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answer in the next 30 seconds so let's

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hold that to the next segment our guest

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this week Christopher Garrett I know he

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is the writer director producer in any

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when stating a central bank issuing the

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public currency is a greater menace to

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the liberties of the people than a

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this is Micah Hanks to the graylien

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report and you're listening to the para

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cast the gold standard of paranormal

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[Music]

3597
02:29:03,160 --> 02:29:00,710
Christopher Garrett on Oh of the Montauk

3598
02:29:05,680 --> 02:29:03,170
chronicles we start a long thing here

3599
02:29:07,720 --> 02:29:05,690
but we only have one segment left so I

3600
02:29:10,480 --> 02:29:07,730
want to really focus on this really

3601
02:29:13,030 --> 02:29:10,490
carefully and that is with regard to the

3602
02:29:15,180 --> 02:29:13,040
Manchurian Candidate scenario of course

3603
02:29:17,670 --> 02:29:15,190
that goes back to the movie in the book

3604
02:29:20,170 --> 02:29:17,680
Manchurian Candidate the film with

3605
02:29:23,410 --> 02:29:20,180
Laurence Harvey and Frank Sinatra from

3606
02:29:26,341 --> 02:29:23,420
the early 1960s and of course the evil

3607
02:29:28,900 --> 02:29:26,351
oriental doctor who did the hypnotic

3608
02:29:31,720 --> 02:29:28,910
mind-control the brainwashing played by

3609
02:29:34,120 --> 02:29:31,730
an acronym Chi D who of course was known

3610
02:29:36,551 --> 02:29:34,130
as well fat in the Hawaii five-o TV show

3611
02:29:38,670 --> 02:29:36,561
the original one not the new one of

3612
02:29:41,770 --> 02:29:38,680
course he's long gone he was also a

3613
02:29:44,051 --> 02:29:41,780
co-producer and a very regular guest on

3614
02:29:45,850 --> 02:29:44,061
the long John Neville show talking about

3615
02:29:50,110 --> 02:29:45,860
the paranormal and other subjects anyway

3616
02:29:51,940 --> 02:29:50,120
so we have this story and I suspect the

3617
02:29:53,591 --> 02:29:51,950
more you hear about that the book The

3618
02:29:55,000 --> 02:29:53,601
Manchurian Candidate was based on

3619
02:29:58,570 --> 02:29:55,010
reality don't you think so

3620
02:30:00,820 --> 02:29:58,580
you know I'm told by Stuart Swerdlow

3621
02:30:03,400 --> 02:30:00,830
and Alfred Bielek and Preston Nichols

3622
02:30:06,160 --> 02:30:03,410
and I've heard this before that the

3623
02:30:07,600 --> 02:30:06,170
movies and sometimes books and sometimes

3624
02:30:10,120 --> 02:30:07,610
stories that are put out there

3625
02:30:14,170 --> 02:30:10,130
especially in mass media are put out

3626
02:30:16,450 --> 02:30:14,180
there to bring the ideas of what's

3627
02:30:18,341 --> 02:30:16,460
really going on into the public so if

3628
02:30:20,591 --> 02:30:18,351
they ever associate it with anything

3629
02:30:22,390 --> 02:30:20,601
other than fiction you know they'll

3630
02:30:24,250 --> 02:30:22,400
become confused and they'll say well I

3631
02:30:25,690 --> 02:30:24,260
only know about The Manchurian Candidate

3632
02:30:29,051 --> 02:30:25,700
thing because of the John Frankenheimer

3633
02:30:31,990 --> 02:30:29,061
film or I only know about the Montauk

3634
02:30:34,630 --> 02:30:32,000
Project because of you know Stephen

3635
02:30:36,730 --> 02:30:34,640
King's the mist or something similar to

3636
02:30:38,860 --> 02:30:36,740
that or you know so these things are put

3637
02:30:42,430 --> 02:30:38,870
out into the public because they're we

3638
02:30:44,290 --> 02:30:42,440
I'm always before 2006 everything that

3639
02:30:47,350 --> 02:30:44,300
was talked about in the Montauk Project

3640
02:30:49,360 --> 02:30:47,360
I associated with fiction because before

3641
02:30:52,420 --> 02:30:49,370
that my paranormal mysteries were

3642
02:30:54,660 --> 02:30:52,430
limited to very well-defined separate

3643
02:30:58,810 --> 02:30:54,670
subjects ghosts cryptozoological

3644
02:31:00,910 --> 02:30:58,820
creatures you know UFOs UFO abductions

3645
02:31:03,310 --> 02:31:00,920
things like that or psychic abilities

3646
02:31:04,960 --> 02:31:03,320
but then we get over to the Montauk

3647
02:31:07,841 --> 02:31:04,970
Project and it becomes this kind of

3648
02:31:08,680 --> 02:31:07,851
movement this philosophy people all over

3649
02:31:10,541 --> 02:31:08,690
the world

3650
02:31:13,301 --> 02:31:10,551
certain happened and is happening right

3651
02:31:15,341 --> 02:31:13,311
now and I mean as you know it's just

3652
02:31:16,301 --> 02:31:15,351
fast and endless and it wasn't like that

3653
02:31:19,631 --> 02:31:16,311
before

3654
02:31:21,490 --> 02:31:19,641
weren't groups of people wearing Guy

3655
02:31:22,930 --> 02:31:21,500
Fawkes masks and trying to fight the

3656
02:31:24,700 --> 02:31:22,940
governments of the world and on it's

3657
02:31:26,110 --> 02:31:24,710
just none of that was occurring really

3658
02:31:27,640 --> 02:31:26,120
there was separate protests around the

3659
02:31:30,310 --> 02:31:27,650
world and it was isolated in very

3660
02:31:32,560 --> 02:31:30,320
defined moments and now it's just oceans

3661
02:31:35,411 --> 02:31:32,570
of people that really believe this stuff

3662
02:31:38,230 --> 02:31:35,421
is going on now sirhan sirhan they

3663
02:31:40,990 --> 02:31:38,240
convicted killer of the senator robert

3664
02:31:42,280 --> 02:31:41,000
kennedy he I think claimed that he was

3665
02:31:44,140 --> 02:31:42,290
under some kind of mind-control he

3666
02:31:46,751 --> 02:31:44,150
didn't know what he was doing yes he did

3667
02:31:49,751 --> 02:31:46,761
and also Colin fergenson later on who

3668
02:31:50,831 --> 02:31:49,761
went on to the Long Island Railroad and

3669
02:31:53,440 --> 02:31:50,841
shut a whole bunch of people said that

3670
02:31:55,810 --> 02:31:53,450
he was triggered by a device as well so

3671
02:31:57,400 --> 02:31:55,820
these ideas have been out there is it

3672
02:31:59,350 --> 02:31:57,410
possible that these gentlemen saw The

3673
02:32:01,930 --> 02:31:59,360
Manchurian Candidate and then believed

3674
02:32:04,961 --> 02:32:01,940
that they were being controlled sure but

3675
02:32:08,100 --> 02:32:04,971
I think there's a greater force in the

3676
02:32:11,110 --> 02:32:08,110
media and in the world certainly

3677
02:32:14,110 --> 02:32:11,120
manipulating the people I mean it's an

3678
02:32:16,301 --> 02:32:14,120
old story and it's it's happened many

3679
02:32:18,371 --> 02:32:16,311
times throughout history especially if

3680
02:32:21,310 --> 02:32:18,381
you go back to Nazi Germany it's not

3681
02:32:22,751 --> 02:32:21,320
far-fetched and it has happened worse

3682
02:32:26,200 --> 02:32:22,761
things have happened than the Montauk

3683
02:32:28,631 --> 02:32:26,210
Project so I don't see why this may have

3684
02:32:31,720 --> 02:32:28,641
not happened to a degree I mean this is

3685
02:32:34,450 --> 02:32:31,730
a yeah I I can't consider all of the

3686
02:32:36,850 --> 02:32:34,460
elements as truth but after years of

3687
02:32:38,560 --> 02:32:36,860
researching other things you know in

3688
02:32:40,860 --> 02:32:38,570
regard to MKULTRA and all the things

3689
02:32:44,081 --> 02:32:40,870
that occurred during World War two that

3690
02:32:45,551 --> 02:32:44,091
I'm leaning towards something truly

3691
02:32:48,371 --> 02:32:45,561
happening there and that there are

3692
02:32:50,801 --> 02:32:48,381
offshoots of this occurring and that I'm

3693
02:32:53,171 --> 02:32:50,811
focusing mainly on the mind-control I

3694
02:32:55,091 --> 02:32:53,181
think that is the truth okay let's look

3695
02:32:57,610 --> 02:32:55,101
at another thing here we all remember

3696
02:32:58,541 --> 02:32:57,620
the late candy Jones she was the wife of

3697
02:33:00,881 --> 02:32:58,551
Long John Neville

3698
02:33:02,650 --> 02:33:00,891
she was co-host of his radio show when

3699
02:33:04,871 --> 02:33:02,660
Long John died she took over the show

3700
02:33:06,940 --> 02:33:04,881
and did her own and there was a book

3701
02:33:09,520 --> 02:33:06,950
called the control of candy Jones and

3702
02:33:11,940 --> 02:33:09,530
candy Jones was a model and a talk show

3703
02:33:14,890 --> 02:33:11,950
host and supposedly when she was

3704
02:33:17,171 --> 02:33:14,900
triggered she became a CIA agent and

3705
02:33:19,720 --> 02:33:17,181
then of course we have Chuck Barris and

3706
02:33:21,580 --> 02:33:19,730
the book confessions of a dangerous mind

3707
02:33:24,580 --> 02:33:21,590
which was made into a movie rat

3708
02:33:25,990 --> 02:33:24,590
fanciful featuring Sam Rockwell as Chuck

3709
02:33:28,690 --> 02:33:26,000
Barris who did the gong show

3710
02:33:30,370 --> 02:33:28,700
but supposedly he also was under some

3711
02:33:33,099 --> 02:33:30,380
control and therefore when he was under

3712
02:33:35,050 --> 02:33:33,109
this control he'd become a CIA assassin

3713
02:33:36,310 --> 02:33:35,060
of course sound like a lot of nonsense

3714
02:33:38,020 --> 02:33:36,320
and you could see the film it was a

3715
02:33:39,849 --> 02:33:38,030
really good film George Clooney directed

3716
02:33:44,650 --> 02:33:39,859
it and was one of the stars I think he

3717
02:33:46,570 --> 02:33:44,660
plays this CIA contact who may or may

3718
02:33:48,730 --> 02:33:46,580
not be there but did you ever consider

3719
02:33:51,940 --> 02:33:48,740
whether either of these stories candy

3720
02:33:53,980 --> 02:33:51,950
Jones Chuck Barris had bases in fact it

3721
02:33:56,469 --> 02:33:53,990
was just a bunch of fiction designed

3722
02:33:59,349 --> 02:33:56,479
there to maybe make a movie or get

3723
02:34:02,469 --> 02:33:59,359
publicity I think depending on who's

3724
02:34:04,480 --> 02:34:02,479
involved both because every movie that's

3725
02:34:07,090 --> 02:34:04,490
made they're so expensive and requires

3726
02:34:09,550 --> 02:34:07,100
so much time you know as a filmmaker you

3727
02:34:11,770 --> 02:34:09,560
forced to you said it was made very

3728
02:34:13,660 --> 02:34:11,780
fancifully so it's like yeah well that's

3729
02:34:16,929 --> 02:34:13,670
what that's our job as a movie maker I'm

3730
02:34:18,969 --> 02:34:16,939
not a guy who just I'm a filmmaker III

3731
02:34:20,590 --> 02:34:18,979
wanted to make something interesting so

3732
02:34:22,929 --> 02:34:20,600
mine stories are being told through

3733
02:34:25,810 --> 02:34:22,939
images and and so that interpretation of

3734
02:34:27,639 --> 02:34:25,820
the Barris story needed to have style it

3735
02:34:30,940 --> 02:34:27,649
needed to move they can't just be a

3736
02:34:33,340 --> 02:34:30,950
bunch of talking heads on YouTube but so

3737
02:34:37,210 --> 02:34:33,350
sometimes people find less credibility

3738
02:34:38,950 --> 02:34:37,220
and things that are artistic I disagree

3739
02:34:41,740 --> 02:34:38,960
you know I just think that's the narrow

3740
02:34:44,139 --> 02:34:41,750
minds of the some of the folks who come

3741
02:34:46,300 --> 02:34:44,149
out and say that in the other sense that

3742
02:34:47,980 --> 02:34:46,310
I feel like these stories are more

3743
02:34:49,090 --> 02:34:47,990
organic in there it's not such a

3744
02:34:50,950 --> 02:34:49,100
black-and-white issue

3745
02:34:52,690 --> 02:34:50,960
George Clooney directed that movie of

3746
02:34:54,130 --> 02:34:52,700
course he wanted to publicize it and

3747
02:34:55,660 --> 02:34:54,140
they wanted to make money with it he

3748
02:34:57,880 --> 02:34:55,670
wanted to make it interesting enough to

3749
02:35:00,070 --> 02:34:57,890
keep people in and have them buy tickets

3750
02:35:02,889 --> 02:35:00,080
but at the same time maybe there's a

3751
02:35:05,889 --> 02:35:02,899
message there of truth and as you know

3752
02:35:08,139 --> 02:35:05,899
things are always translated and changed

3753
02:35:10,389 --> 02:35:08,149
to kind of fit a format and then it

3754
02:35:12,490 --> 02:35:10,399
starts with truth but when it comes down

3755
02:35:14,380 --> 02:35:12,500
to the logistics of having to make a

3756
02:35:16,750 --> 02:35:14,390
picture sometimes those things are

3757
02:35:18,760 --> 02:35:16,760
rearranged to condense you know 20 30

3758
02:35:20,560 --> 02:35:18,770
years into an hour and a half or two

3759
02:35:22,599 --> 02:35:20,570
hours you know you wouldn't know this

3760
02:35:24,340 --> 02:35:22,609
unless you gave it a shot and tried to

3761
02:35:26,830 --> 02:35:24,350
get in the middle of making a project

3762
02:35:28,090 --> 02:35:26,840
like this so it's a combination of all

3763
02:35:29,860 --> 02:35:28,100
of the things you're asking I don't

3764
02:35:32,860 --> 02:35:29,870
think there's one answer to this I think

3765
02:35:34,719 --> 02:35:32,870
that you know these ideas are put out I

3766
02:35:35,110 --> 02:35:34,729
think it's great that even if the most

3767
02:35:37,690 --> 02:35:35,120
sense

3768
02:35:38,350 --> 02:35:37,700
sation alized material comes out to the

3769
02:35:41,020 --> 02:35:38,360
public

3770
02:35:43,690 --> 02:35:41,030
like let's say that conspiracy theory

3771
02:35:46,030 --> 02:35:43,700
show at Jesse Ventura obviously a good

3772
02:35:48,040 --> 02:35:46,040
deal of it staged obviously a good deal

3773
02:35:50,710 --> 02:35:48,050
of it really fake and sometimes silly

3774
02:35:52,720 --> 02:35:50,720
and sometimes one-dimensional but what's

3775
02:35:55,450 --> 02:35:52,730
important about a show like that is that

3776
02:35:57,970 --> 02:35:55,460
the idea which was never really out

3777
02:36:01,270 --> 02:35:57,980
there before is out there in abundance

3778
02:36:02,380 --> 02:36:01,280
now I think it works in two ways too

3779
02:36:04,630 --> 02:36:02,390
because it could work as a very

3780
02:36:06,310 --> 02:36:04,640
dangerous paranoia

3781
02:36:08,700 --> 02:36:06,320
implement and then on the other end it

3782
02:36:12,310 --> 02:36:08,710
gets people aware of the possibilities

3783
02:36:15,341 --> 02:36:12,320
so it's not a black-and-white answer I

3784
02:36:17,110 --> 02:36:15,351
can't give it to you sure looks like

3785
02:36:19,000 --> 02:36:17,120
we're just about out of time Christopher

3786
02:36:20,950 --> 02:36:19,010
could you tell our listeners more about

3787
02:36:23,370 --> 02:36:20,960
the film and where they can learn more

3788
02:36:26,650 --> 02:36:23,380
about it can we actually get to see it

3789
02:36:30,460 --> 02:36:26,660
yes you can see Montauk chronicles right

3790
02:36:33,511 --> 02:36:30,470
now I have it in two formats one as DVD

3791
02:36:36,430 --> 02:36:33,521
and one is blu-ray it has a fantastic

3792
02:36:39,060 --> 02:36:36,440
sound mix surround sound mix and there

3793
02:36:42,030 --> 02:36:39,070
is a deluge of extras on the blu-ray

3794
02:36:46,330 --> 02:36:42,040
where we further explore camp hero

3795
02:36:48,820 --> 02:36:46,340
extended interviews to making of

3796
02:36:50,170 --> 02:36:48,830
documentaries on both discs you know

3797
02:36:52,540 --> 02:36:50,180
they're worth taking a look at you can

3798
02:36:55,570 --> 02:36:52,550
get them at Montauk chronicles calm or

3799
02:36:58,870 --> 02:36:55,580
over on amazon.com ok Montauk chronicles

3800
02:37:01,540 --> 02:36:58,880
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3801
02:37:03,070 --> 02:37:01,550
you got your HD TV and the blu-ray

3802
02:37:04,960 --> 02:37:03,080
player which you can get for like fifty

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02:37:07,480 --> 02:37:04,970
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3804
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it get the blu-ray because it looks so

3805
02:37:10,990 --> 02:37:09,080
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